[h3csc]

lol kong you made my day! Good one!

[v60firmware]

@SuDaGe

How can u increase megapixels from 3.2 to 3.5?It comes in hardware part!

And Why is nokia delaying its last firmware on 5800 !Cant u just release it and finish this discussion?

[SuDaGe]

juz like the previous nokia phone it uses from the firmware update from 1mp to 1.3mp

[SuDaGe]

i only juz please that nokia can put the n8 style dialler in the next firmware update and can increase the font size for the qwerty keyboard and can increase the sensitivity for the touchscreen plz!!!

[zebarnabe]

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v60firmware wrote:

@SuDaGe

How can u increase megapixels from 3.2 to 3.5?It comes in hardware part!

And Why is nokia delaying its last firmware on 5800 !Cant u just release it and finish this discussion?

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3.2Megapixel camera .... it's indeed an hardware feature, if the guy doesn't understand that i'll put it this way:

There is a rectangle with a measurement of 1/6" inch diagonal with a 4:3 ratio, behind the camera lens, that little rectangle has something engraved on it, photo sites and logic circuits for them, photo sites are the oposite of liquid crystals on your screen - instead of giving light receive it (and to distinguish RBG they have color filters over them) - they are engraved in a silicium crystal, photo sites are the pixels on your camera resolution, you cannot engrave more of them using software...

The only thing they can change in firmware it's how exposure is done (and what can the user control in it) and how image is treated and compressed as a JPEG...

Answering your question:

I guess because Nokia 5800 is no longer maintained....

The only device, that I recall, that kept being maintained for a long time after getting unlisted was N95, but it had a bunch of diferent versions ... 5800 Navigator edition kinda gave me some hopes that they would put it right, but after C6-00 they obviously didn't (it's basically 5800 with a physical qwerty keyboard).

We were being asking for bug correction, more fluid interface, landscape homescreen and some sort of widgetery on it (I don't even ask for a full fledge widgets screen, but some customization options aside of removing stuff from it, with landscape support)...

Sadly, more bugs have been introduced, thankfully some were corrected, interface got a little better overtime, homescreen has 2 major versions - N97, C6-00 vs 5230, 5530, 5800 - for identical hardware.

Major problem with Symbian is that it is too old.... too bloated... With current rumors of a parnership between Nokia and Microsoft, it's just a matter of time until Nokia become hardware manufacturer to Microsoft WM7 ...

Looking how HP / Palm got together working on the new WebOS devices and SDK/IDE for them, I kinda feel like Nokia is moving too slow and will get into big trouble... :/

It would be nice if they just released all the source code of S60^1, ^2 and ^3, their device specific variants and compiler toolchain and libraries for them... Not going to happen ;]

[zebarnabe]

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SuDaGe wrote:

juz like the previous nokia phone it uses from the firmware update from 1mp to 1.3mp

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Well... 1,3MP cameras are often called 1MP cameras, it's hard to tell, but sometimes sensors photosites that are not used or just used to compensate distortion...throwing an image with less MPs than the sensor has... (An example: Fujifilm Finepix HS10)

Usually phones take photos at 5:4, 3:2 or 4:3 ratios, 3:2 being the most common ratio on photography, similar common resolutions could be considered:

1MP = 1200x800 (3:2)

1MP = 1280x800 (16:9 - common on computer screens)

1,2MP = 1280x960 (4:3 - very common in web-cameras)

1,3MP = 1280x1024 (5:4)

1,3MP = 1440x900 (16:9 - common on computer screens, but not on camera sensors)

The only way i see for it to increase to 1,3MP would be that the phone had a 1,3MP sensor, but because 5:4 it's almost square and not 'normal' looking, they cropped the data from the sensor, giving a more pleasing looking photo, the firmware would just need  to avoid that cropping mechanism to show a 1,3MP instead of 1MP...

My camera (a real camera, not the mobile phone one) has a multi ratio sensor, meaning that it has it has extra pixels that ensure that no matter what of the available ratios I choose, I'll get 12MPs...

Other thing could be that they just initially rounded the value down, and for marketing reasons put the decimals back later (I wouldn't be surprised)

5800 has 3.2MP ... nothing will change that... you could rescale the image in software, but the extra detail wouldn't be there....

[v60firmware]

See,the point is dat if nokia provides widget homescreen like c6 then who will buy C6 and similarly if nokia provides n8 features on 5800 (only some features can be ported  as the whole OS is very heavy for 5800 to handle)  which comparatively cheap than n8 then who will buy N8.This was one of the major problem why nokia was not releasing widget homescreen and n8 like features and also this problem is discussed earlier this discussion.BUT WHAT IS THE PROBLEM NOW!the sale of 5800 has already stopped ! then why is nokia hesitating to release a better firmware and also it will not affect the sale of their future models!

Why is NOkia showing this reckless attitude of not providing any better fw?they simply mean money and nothing else!!!!!!!!!!!

[wamsy]

hey boss!
Come on nokia 5800 is one of the high end handset which was released in indian market for around rs19000/-
So we can expect home screen widget option in the next firmware update. I think we can expect firmware v60 with homescreen widgets and cpu speed of 434MHz.

[Fender77]

The cpu of the 5800 are from v20 and further running on 434 mhz.

[wamsy]

try to check your symbian mobile cpu speed with X-plore from lonely cat games

they are the producers of smart movie application too

no 5800 is running with cpu speed of 434MHz

after x-plore installation go to

[wamsy]

try to check your symbian mobile cpu speed with X-plore from lonely cat games

they are the producers of smart movie application too

no 5800 is running with cpu speed of 434MHz

after x-plore installation go to menu-tools-deviceinfo.

you will find ur imei,ram capacity and cpu speed also.

check it enjoy

[SuDaGe]

ok i only juz hav 1 simple request to the nokia is dat on next firmware update, plz put the smart dialler juz like nokia n8, plz, plz, plz juz grant this wish

[jgmccabe]

Thought I'd let you know I've received a response to my message from 6th December (see earlier). The text is below, clearly boilerplate and disappointing. I've pointed out that I'm disappointed they are not prepared to recognise that their product has significant bugs that didn't exist in previous versions, and said it's too late as I now have an Android phone!


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Dear Mr. McCabe,


Thank you for contacting Nokia Care.

In response to your concern, we suggest that you take your phone to the nearest Nokia Care Point. Kindly inform our technicians that the operating system of your device requires re-flash. Please note that this type of service is not covered by the warranty.

For more information about warranty, you may check on the link below:

http://www.nokia.co.uk/support/repair/european-limited-warranty

You may find the nearest Nokia Care Point in your area by going to the link below:

http://www.nokia.co.uk/home/find-a-store/store-locator

For future reference, please feel free to check our website. Kindly refer to the link below:

http://www.nokia.co.uk/home

You may also call our Customer Care Hotline at 0845-045-5555, Monday-Friday 9am-7pm (except bank and public holidays).

Please do not hesitate to contact us again if you have any further questions.


Yours sincerely,

Joel Jr.
Nokia Service Professional
UK & Ireland Team
Nokia Care

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[v60firmware]

Its 22nd Feb now,three months from the last update,and still no signs of v60.Is Nokia keeping that firmware in showpiece! why dont u relese it with the demanded features and finish this discussion off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Fender77]

To be a bit realistic, the 5800 has got a support beyond what you really can demand from a company. I think there are no other Nokias that has got that many updates.

I of course hope you all get the v60, but there shouldn't be a total dissaster if not.

So, I wonder what will happen if v60 shows up... I guess it's a matter of seconds before someone shouts v70.

I've had the 5800 twice (not because of fail but because I regret I sold it) and I've had the N97. The 5800 was supposed to be the little brother of N97 and did cost far less than the older brother. However, the 5800 has got support beyond reasonable, but the N97 was left in the dark. IMH the 5800 except from cam and qwerty and a bit smaller screen, works much better than the N97 and are far more stable.

[zebarnabe]

I think that the Nokia device with the longest service (firmware/software) history it's N95... but I could be wrong...

5800 with the v52.0.0.7 got better, but still has some 'liver' crysis, forget calls log, xpressMusic button stops showing pop-up menu (even if vibration feedback it's acting), randomly freezes in Radio and Music apps, crashes and gets some screen color stripes (this is both an hardware and software issue), has some RAM management issues (but it's a LOT better than what it was) and has some interface hiccupps...

On the 'good' side N97 has even worse issues... Nokia will go WP7, Symbian it's dead, Maemo goes zombie (it was never alive to start), RIP Nokia....

At least Palm did something well when got brough by HP, those new Palm OS powered devices look good .... for me... well... my old 'dumb' phones looks better than any modern smartphone... Shame I don't have my old SL45i...

[evadavada]

nokia just wants money re ....i dun think ne more fw.......will wait for 2-3 months for confirmation then switch to a cfw.

[daltonf]

i would like it if at least nokia would give one final update even if all it has is the c6/n97 mni homescreen with screen rotation and better and more controlled ram. that would be a pretty good rap up to the legendary nokia 5800

[minko_t]

there was an AEROSMITH song DREAM ON , so......... dream on dream on dream on .........

[daltonf]

one more update to close down this things isn't a bad idea or a dream it woulf make sense. if we could experience a bit of the new feature not all just a bit on our lower level phones we would now the wat exactly to expect on our next purchase