[korngear]

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17-Oct-200707:30 PM
manas14kar wrote:

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11-Oct-200707:13 PM
el_loco wrote:
From other threads...

/discussions/board/message?board.id=imaging&message.id=13

Ok, here we go again:

THE LIST:

- ImToo 3GP encoder
- PSPVideo 9 (Use QVGA profile)
- AnyVideoConverter, there's a free version and a pro version you can work with the free version
- Super (as korngear said)
- Quicktime Pro
- RealProducer Plus (from real)
- Nero Platnium
- Roxio converter
- Xilisoft

Nokia tools:

- Nokia Multimedia player (Choose Save As...) and select the type of video (this is installed with PC Suite so you may already have this)
- Nokia Video Manager (very simple to use)
- Nokia Multimedia Converter (you need to register to forum Nokia to use)

There are many, many more converters, but these should get you started.

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You have just quoted his post dude, what is your say?

[needtogetfit]

Hi,
I am using Super to convert DVD from disc to play on my N95 and have a few questions.

(1) Should I be converting to MP4 or 3pg.

(2) I already converted one DVD (.vob's) to MP4 and ended up with 5 MP4 files of about 200mb each. First of all can I not end up with one MP4 file, and second of all what settings should I use to get that file(s) down to about 300mb total. I only have a 1GB memory card.

[korngear]

1. MP4
2. Try use lower bitrate like 768 kbps or lower.

[pavid]

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16-Oct-2007 06:24 PM
bitflung wrote:

i dont use quicktime pro to transcode myself - mostly because i am starting from DVD's and it is more efficient to go straight from dvd to h.264 by using the Handbrake application (born in BeOS, ported to MacOSX and it currently a command line app in Windows and Linux)

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What settings do you use in Handbrake? i have an n82, the screen size is 320x240, shall i make the video that size? what framerate and bitrate should i use?

any help wuould be appreciated!

thanks

[bitflung]

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14-Feb-2008 11:03 AM
pavid wrote:

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16-Oct-2007 06:24 PM
bitflung wrote:

i dont use quicktime pro to transcode myself - mostly because i am starting from DVD's and it is more efficient to go straight from dvd to h.264 by using the Handbrake application (born in BeOS, ported to MacOSX and it currently a command line app in Windows and Linux)

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What settings do you use in Handbrake? i have an n82, the screen size is 320x240, shall i make the video that size? what framerate and bitrate should i use?

any help wuould be appreciated!

thanks

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i use these settings:
format: mp4 file
codecs: AVC/H.264 video/AAC Audio
framerate: 25fps
encoder: x264 (h.264 Main)
average bitrate: 200kbps
2-pass encoding
turbo first-pass
--- picture settings ---
output: 320x240
anamorphic: off
keep aspect ratio : on
crop: custom ( i tweak this so my output is 240x320 with aspect ratio turned on, some dvds start with resolutions that don't scale evenly to 240x320)
denoise: off
detelcine: no
deinterlace: off
--- audio settings ---
Track 1: whichever source track i want
track 1 mix: stereo
sample rate: 48khz
bitrate: 128 kbps
--- chapters ---
i haven't tried enabling chapters - the n95 fast-forwards through the video pretty well, so i haven't tested this at all
--- advanced ---
everything default works fine, but i went through and played a bit - i changed these (but i'm not an expert):
b-frames: 4
all checkboxes UNCHECKED except for CABAC Entropy Coding

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thats it. these settings work great for me. the only problem i have is that occasionally i'll have a file with video that plays perfect and audio that cuts out for a couple seconds maybe 2 or 3 times in a 2 hour video. it only happens on movies that need the custom cropping, but it doesn't happen on many of those movies. if you have it, one of the movies that has this problem for me is "Better Off Dead".

[pavid]

thanks very much for that! really appreciate it

i did it all, copied it into the 'my videos' folder on the memory card, but it only plays the sound any idea why?

[bitflung]

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14-Feb-2008 05:05 PM
pavid wrote:
thanks very much for that! really appreciate it

i did it all, copied it into the 'my videos' folder on the memory card, but it only plays the sound any idea why?

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i don't know - thats odd.

lets get the big picture stuff out of the way -
let me know if any of this is wrong:

you're using macosx.
you used handbrake v0.9.1
the file you created came out around 250MB.
you played the video on your mac and it worked properly.
other video files play properly on your n82.
you attempted to play the video using RealPlayer on your n82 (there is a DivX player available as well, i've never tested it though).

[pavid]

yep thats all right. the file is about 42MB though, its just one episode of family guy...

i couldnt find the file on divx...

when i play it, it says unable to play either sound video clip. trying to play partially...

[korngear]

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15-Feb-2008 05:02 AM
pavid wrote:
yep thats all right. the file is about 42MB though, its just one episode of family guy...

i couldnt find the file on divx...

when i play it, it says unable to play either sound video clip. trying to play partially...

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Strange, one of my friend reported same to me of N82. Video is encoded with AVC/H.264 codec, but it says unable or partially either.

[pavid]

yeah its really annoying, i dont need to put any driver on my phone or anything??

[bitflung]

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15-Feb-2008 09:34 AM
pavid wrote:
yeah its really annoying, i dont need to put any driver on my phone or anything??

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no, you dont need to do that.

here's an idea for you:
record a video with yur phone. record it using the maximum quality, resolution, etc. this should be an mp4 file encoded with h.264 - now, if your phone can play THAT file, it can play any similarly encoded file.

what we should try to do is record video on the n82 and find a way to analyze it - we want to know what features of h.264 are used on the phone natively.

realize that h.264 is a very complex codec and most h.264 capable players only supoprt a small subset of the features provided by the spec (QuickTime, for example, fails to implement more then just the baseline required features).

you could try another encoding - if you disable as many features as possible you may have a video that works - then selectively add on features until you find the 1 or 2 that broke it here.

since it plays only the sound, you should try modifying the video settigns.
try turning off "Keep aspect ratio"and disable the cropping entirely. you might try pushing the framerate up to 30fps, since thats the framerate your device records at (it's the same as the n95, right?).

also, the advanced options, you might disable everything. b-frames and entropy encoding included.

alternatively, i've found that a standard mp4-file plays well with my n95. the filesize is a bit bigger, but encoding time is faster. for this you just change the codec to "MPEG-4 Video / AAC Audio".

i'd like to know what you find... maybe the settings that work on the n82 would be better than what i use on my n95 (fix the audio glitch).

[pavid]

i just got a video i recorded off my phone onto my mac and looked at the details...

it says..

Dimensions: 640 x 480
Codecs: MPEG-4 Video, AAC
Channel Count: 1
Total bit rate: 2,574

Thats all it gives me really...

ill try encoding some more! i wish it was easier than this though. Nokia need to do some preset for different phones!

[bitflung]

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15-Feb-2008 11:38 AM
pavid wrote:
i just got a video i recorded off my phone onto my mac and looked at the details...

it says..

Dimensions: 640 x 480
Codecs: MPEG-4 Video, AAC
Channel Count: 1
Total bit rate: 2,574

Thats all it gives me really...

ill try encoding some more! i wish it was easier than this though. Nokia need to do some preset for different phones!

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at the end of my last post i suggested trying the "MPEG-4 Video / AAC" settigns in handbrake. while your phone supports h.264 (someone correct me if i'm wrong) this codec should be simpler to decode (less cpu utilization, less battery drain, fast encoding on your mac) although result in somewhat larger filesize.

let me know if that works. and compare the filesizes - perhaps MPEG-4 won't be significantly larger at 320x240 resolution...

[pavid]

sorry, must have missed that!! dont know how, haha!

anyway, i tried encoding it with the same settings but mpeg-4 codec, and it works fine, although the quality isnt amazing. is h.264 supposed to be better?

the file size for approx 22 min animation, its about 41mb. seems about the same as h.264...

i just had a look on the specification of n82 on the nokia site, and it doesnt say anything about h.264... i assumed it supported it?

[bitflung]

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15-Feb-2008 12:25 PM
pavid wrote:
sorry, must have missed that!! dont know how, haha!

anyway, i tried encoding it with the same settings but mpeg-4 codec, and it works fine, although the quality isnt amazing. is h.264 supposed to be better?

the file size for approx 22 min animation, its about 41mb. seems about the same as h.264...

i just had a look on the specification of n82 on the nokia site, and it doesnt say anything about h.264... i assumed it supported it?

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the filesize is the same because you kept the bitrate settings at 200, i think.

h.264 is much more efficient, encoding more information at any given bitrate. i think it was SUPPOSED to be about 4x better, but it's typically about 2x better. that is, for a given quality h.264 will have a file about 1/2 the size of MPEG-4. but all the metrics of comparison are based on specific features of h.264 which were, of course, optimized for specific resolutions, framerates, etc. MPEG-4 was optimized in a similar fashion, but a general rule of thumb for computers is that the better it performs in a specific environment, the worse it will perform outside that environment. thats why i figured MPEG-4 might be pretty much the same quality as h.264 at the smaller resolution.

you could crank up the bitrate. double the bitrate and you'll see the filesize jump up by around 60% (128kbps audio + 200kbps video + 200 more kbps video == about 528kbps total, or 1.6x 328kbps of the previous encoding)

so, with 400kbps video bitrate, i'd expect your 41mb file to come out become a 66mb file.

for single episode encodings like this, thats probaly not a deal breaker. but in a similar fashion a 700mb MPEG-4 encoding would be only 438mb in h.264 (with the 2x quality vs size ratio). so you might want to find a way to play more efficient video formats if you plan to play full length movies on your n82.

i think the n82 DOES play h.264. look here:
http://tinyurl.com/38awnf
(links to: www.nseries.com)

in the Video section it states:
Video player - supports MPEG4, AVC/H.264, H.264, H.263, RV

looks like we just need to find the right set of H.264 features...

[korngear]

I think the N96 will be hassle free. One thing I do not know, did they added the slow motion option to watch the vid? I like slow motion.

[el_loco]

I don't think there's a slow motion option.,

On the topic...

H264 is much more CPU intensive and is more complex to use than MPEG-4.

Nokia devices don't support VGA AVC h264 video playback only MPEG-4 VGA. If you want to use H264 then you have to limit the resolution to QVGA. And you must use the baseline profile of H264 not the main profile.

[pavid]

oh rite!... i kinda get it...

any idea how to make it QVGA on handbrake? or do u have to use something else?

[pavid]

i just saw on handbreak, there is a drop down menu for encoder, one says x264(h.264 main), and then x264(h.264 iPod), would the ipod one be the baseline....?

[el_loco]

No both of those are not going to work in Nokia devices.

You may try to get Super at www.erightsoft.com it's free and it can be set to baseline.