[crashdamage]

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movilogo wrote:
>> N900 is not capable of making calls and internet over 3g at the same time. so this is for sure not a phone for everyone.

Is that true? Does it mean if I'm surfing web on it and someone calls me I won't be able to answer??

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It IS capable of running on 3G and taking a call at the same time.  For instance, if you're checking email and get a call, you can answer the call and the emails will continue to download.

This is NOT true if you are using 2G (Edge) for data.  In that case you will get the call, but data flow is interrupted until you hang up.

In either case, you WILL always get your calls.

[vrashkov]

Up to date I am still loyal to Nokia, but this will change when i shop for my next device.

But I see some of you people just never stop complaining about N97 and 5800. Okay, you are frustrated by those models (dont get me wrong, so am I), but maybe you should think before rushing to the next "flagship" phone. I mean - s60v5 was introduced to the market and we, the early adopters, still suffer of the immature software and the numerous things it does not work. Eventually with Maemo5 on N900 the early adopters will suffer from many more issues as the platform is more sophisticated than s60v5. I for certain would love to see N900 works as it should, and I hope it will. But somehow we are ending up in a closed circle of rushing for the new and then share our dissapointment here. 

 Its logical - Any new platform needs alot of time, upgrades and feedback before it becomes truly uder friendly and stable.

And I just dont get it - Why starting all over with Maemo again? s60v5 is still so immature? Are we done with s60v5 already? Consider wisely when rushing for your next super device. I personally will switch brands for a while. 

[drhowells]

Maemo is not new, it has been around for years (just not widely known about). It is not replacing Symbian, it is going to be used in parallel. You will see many more Symbian phones coming out next year and hopefully some new Maemo phones as well...

[cpitchford]

Symbian (or s60) is a fairly well established device. Although the 5th edition is relatively new, it is really not that much more than the 3rd edition. It has support for touch screen and is based upon the newer Symbian 9.4 kernel.. great..

People were particularly irritated with the N97 flagship device because it fell so far short of what was expected from a product of such supposed stature. I mean, honestly.. They can't fix the damn ring tone! How long have Nokia handsets had customisable ringtones.. (ok they've had sampled ringtones slightly less time unless you include the 9000 comunicator which could use wav files).. The v10 and v11 firmware versions *sort of* fixed the key lock.. again a stable of Nokia handsets and a feature that worked without anywhere near as many problems on the 5800 (which lets face it should've ironed out all the s60v5 problems, surely?)

Nokia do have a very strong tendency to ruin and break things that were totally stable on previous handsets.. For a flag ship device to have had so little testing and then to have such an unprofessional update release schedule is only going to irritate.

s60v5 is not immature.. That's like saying XP SP3 is immature.. it is based upon extremely old code that should some 8 years later be rock solid.. but it isnt. Marred with low flash and memory problems, the device performs poorly.. The technology within S60v5 is stretched due to the limitations of its design.. Epoc was designed for a touch screen PDA with 16meg of ram.. it, imho, hasn't really scaled that well.. Don't get me wrong, I'm a symbian fan and would only buy Symbian handsets (Even Epoc ones .. Ericsson R380?)

Maemo is very different. It is a new phone platform. Saying it will have bugs and problems is like saying "Nokia don't do enough testing" well duh!!

The difference is it is a new platform built upon 3 revisions (OS2006,7,8) of Maemo.. much like S60v5 is built upon S60,r2 and 3rd..

We aren't starting again with Maemo.. It is a different approach to phone software. For starters it isn't tied down to the point of irritation.. there is no "c:\private" that contains 65meg of "other files" that you can't see.,, If you have the knowledge, you can delve inside the phone and see and poke things. This includes "fixing" problems that arise. See this thread about pulling info out of an N800 device

N800 browser history

It also brings about a new approach to software updates. Patches inside Debian and Debian based OSes are common practise. the N810 introduced continuous updates quoting "The last time you'll need to re-flash your device" implying all further updates would be downloadable patches.. 

I'm not giving up on Symbian, but having used the three previous tablets, I'm very keen on seeing Nokias take on a Linux phone operating system. What's more I am in NO way expecting the device to suffer my apparently testing day to day use! 

Nokia could be forgiven for releasing an unreliable maemo handset.. it is brand new.. but releasing such an unreliable flagship phone based on 8 years of development (that wasn't even the first handset to ues the platform) is far FAR less excusable.. 

Anyone who is expecting a polished device with the N900 is going to be a bit disappointed.. For the techheads it will be an exhilerating albeit very bump ride for the 6 months!

[N97AndLikedIt]

Hey imma read throught the full thing. All the comments insulting the N97 was from jelous people. its like this. u rush and spend on a mobile <---- it WAS UR CHOISE. first u are happy with the device, ahh but wait! then u see this new awesome N900, then u think "omg the N900 is better than the N97." after that what u do is spend 24/7 on trying to find a problem with the device then ofc u come here and moan and bug nokia to give u a free N900.
Seriously? why not be happy with what u get?

look at N73, its the model with its  OS working at the peek. How? because it was slowly improved. Just dun get jelous about the N900 it was ur choise  then why buy the N97 at the first place? the specs clearly stated 124mb ram, then how can u say Nokia cheated u? u think nokia gives a "beep" when u dun read the specs carefully? i have N97 firmwire v2.0, i'm heavy overtasker atleast 5-6 programs in back ground, but mine works well..

those who wanna buy N900 buy it,

those who wanna buy N97 buy it,

thats what i mean by being able to make a choise

What is realy stupid is

Those who wanna buy N900 go buy a N97 and then come and cry " the N97 sucks " 

Next time say " i didn't know the difference between the N97 and N900"

i personally say N97 is worth the tittle "best MOBILE (not tablet) phone up to date"

i realy get angry when i see comments that a made by people who don't even have a N97, whats the point?

[aregempak20]

yup...i'm agree with wat u say, but i'm just forward about all bad think from every person expression in forum. i forward that because i want to see each people response to that comment. bcoz i'm too happy with my N97, all my frenz keep getting say my phone so awesome, all my frenz wanted to buy fon like me...but they all short of bucks.

[cpitchford]

So people have complained about aspects of the N97 and you think this is caused by not reading and accepting the specs before hand?

For all the criticisms and problems raised, thats your rebuttal?

Rattling components (screen/vibrate motor), poor ring tone support, very limited c: space for "heavy users", web cache filling internal storage, messages intermittently being stored on 32gig storage (jumps back to c: after using usb storage), alarm clock not going off on time..

And you're suggestion is that people should've read the spec first and that the N97 is the best mobile ever..

Heavy user? pffft.. running multiple processes doesn't count as a heavy user.. having lots of data counts as a heavy user.. I could open 25 desktop applications and rarely use them.. that doesn't make me a heavy user.. 3000 sms/mms messages/emails on the N97 and it'll grind to a halt.. that's a power user fact.. 

The N900 is a better development model than Symbian.. This has been substanciated by owners of both Symbian and Maemo devices.. People who claim the N900 will be great are partly right.. It's spec sheet more or less smashes the N97 (with some exceptions, battery capacity, magnetic compass) but the software is likely to be buggy.. fact is, much will be updated faster than other Symbian phones..

why not be happy with what you get? I don't know any other cliches you think I should adhere to? I paid a lot of money for the N97.. and for the first few months it didn't do things stated on the spec sheet..

For those who don't own an N97 and make negative comments, perhaps they DID read the spec sheet.. (256Meg of c: flash.. that's no where near enough!!! Perhaps I won't buy it for that reason... that's why the N97 mini has 512meg.. 256meg was clearly a nokia mistake they've addressed in a future phone)

 Those who wanna buy N900 go buy a N97 and then come and cry " bleep "

Wait what? Seriously?

oh dear

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Message Edited by savanah11 on 14-Nov-2009 04:27 PM

[N97AndLikedIt]

cpitchford didn't mean to get u all worked up.

" For those who don't own an N97 and make negative comments, perhaps they DID read the spec sheet.. (256Meg of c: flash.. that's no where near enough!!! Perhaps I won't buy it for that reason... that's why the N97 mini has 512meg.. 256meg was clearly a nokia mistake they've addressed in a future phone)"

N97 is a nokia product, who made it? Nokia, Who designed it? Nokia. If C.mem needs more memory who should decide? Nokia and u talk like u own the company

Most of the negative comments about the N97 is because it was purchased before examining the spec sheet with care.
ohh and u understand? that the C.mem is a harddisk, the mass mem is a card, the speeds of both vary largely

u can have a 10gig C.mem if u want but how big will the phone be?

and i never said N900 is useless

" I paid a lot of money for the N97.. and for the first few months it didn't do things stated on the spec sheet.." what did it do that wasn't stated on the spec sheet(hardware)?

Seriously i'm satified with the N97, but ur not. Think about it, u would be happy if the N900 didn't come out at all or maybe u wanted to buy a N900 and acsidently bought a N97. i would recommend some glasses fer ya.

And who cares if the N900 is better than the N97? like 4 months after the N900 is out i bet yall gonna cry cuz of low Visual memory, i dun think 728 enuf o.o

[yourmomisa_beep]

seriously cb!tchford! stop whining like a pathetic **bleep** its ur stupidity to get the n97 so be a man and stop blaming nokia! the n900 is an improved version of the n97 well that goes to show that nokia DO make up for their errors. its ur fall to get the n97 nokia didnt force u to get it u got it urself so stop blaming others for ur own silly mistakes. u **bleep**ing **bleep**! i am contented with my n97, cpitchford!

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Message Edited by savanah11 on 14-Nov-2009 04:36 PM

[cpitchford]

Don't get me wrong. I like the N97.. I appreciate there are areas where it could be improved, but it is my day to day phone!

With regards to c: storage.. at the moment I have 8meg free.. If I had an N97 mini, in the same circumstances, I'd have over 200meg free.. so it isn't about making the phone any bigger.. 

I'd be much happier with a phone platform which could be tuned and adapted.. this is why I'm more interested in the N900.. but I've been a Maemo user for years.. I've also been a Symbian user for years.. long before Nokia's Symbian involvement..

Regardless of the imminent release of the N900, I'd still have many criticisms of the N97.. For some reason, I get the impression you think I knock the N97 because the N900 is newer? I've owned the 770, N800 and N810.. I look forward to the N900 for the same reason.. and equally its sucessor.. I've owned the 5800 and used many other S60 handsets.. The N97 was a particularly bad step backwards in many areas.. and those points have been raised.. 

  what did it do that wasn't stated on the spec sheet(hardware)?

revert to the nokia ring tone.. fail to turn the backlight on when unlocking the device. No research at the time of launch would've revealed that.. and it took months for it to be fixed (for some users.. depending on when the firmware update was launched)

Have you ever had your phone play a Nokia tune instead of your chosen ring tone? Have you ran out of c: space? If you're happy with those problems, all power to you.. but don't knock other people for thinking spending half a grand on a flagship phone suffering these unexpected problems are complaining because it isn't the latest and greatest anymore!!

Again, you're only comeback are soft reasons.. not reading the spec.. the release of new phones.. they're not really relevant or important..

 Think about it, u would be happy if the N900 didn't come out at all

What? Yeah.. those bugs I mentioned are FINE if no new handsets come out... I'd be well happy to accept them?! seriously?

 or maybe u wanted to buy a N900 and acsidently bought a N97. i would recommend some glasses fer ya.

I would've bought the N900 regardless.. I thankfully have the readily available cash to spend on both.. but its also part of my job.. I wanted the N97 as the flagship S60 phone.. it wasn't that great.. I want the N900 because it is the premiere Maemo device.. they're different beasts.. and as I regularly state.. it's better to have first hand experience when complaining about a product

 And who cares if the N900 is better than the N97

potential customers asking for opinions as to which is better before making an informed purchase?? 

This thread is about comparing the merits of the flagship s60 device and the new Maemo device.. You're happy with your S60 device.. good for you... so that's a vote for the N97.. but so far, you're knocking only the people who have had a bad N97 experience and choosing the underlying reasons for their often very founded complaints.. How about some hard/technical reasons why you prefer the N97 over the N900.. Or S60 over Maemo?or even why the N97 works for you?

cuz of low Visual memory, i dun think 728 enuf o.o

You not read the N900 spec sheets, then?

feel free to get me all worked up, I can go on for hours (especially for comical effect) today is a slow day

[cpitchford]

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yourmomisa_beep wrote:
seriously cb!tchford! stop whining like a pathetic **bleep** its ur stupidity to get the n97 so be a man and stop blaming nokia! the n900 is an improved version of the n97 well that goes to show that nokia DO make up for their errors. its ur fall to get the n97 nokia didnt force u to get it u got it urself so stop blaming others for ur own silly mistakes. u **bleep**ing **bleep**! i am contented with my n97 cpitchford!

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Go put it on a poster, **bleep**

My mistakes? So it was a mistake I bought a phone you're happy with? riiight.. N900 is an improvement on the N97? Maemo isn't a different platform or anything?

I'm glad you're contented.. not happy, ecstatic, thrilled.. someone like yourself deserves to be contented.. 

oooh so much anger.. You got any time to make a comparison between the merits of  N900 and N97? Here's one I use the N97 as my day to day phone as it supports ALS/line-2 services.. the N900 doesn't seem to support Line-2.. There's a technical contribution.. what's with you angry angry people?!

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Message Edited by savanah11 on 14-Nov-2009 04:49 PM

[hbund188]

cpitchford

great respond, I am totally agree with you...many people fail to see the many points you'd made.  For us users/buyers have brought the N97, we've done lots of review and research prior to ordering the N97(pre release).  We'd broght the N97, cause of what it's advertised to do and now Nokia fail to deliver those promises(even the basic functionality of the device is not working properly).  so for those that said it's our fault and be man enough to accept what Nokia have FRAUD us, they have no idea of what they are talking about of.  It's fair that I am buying the N97 and the N97 should work like the N97, suppose to........

Message Edited by hbund188 on 14-Nov-2009 05:40 PM

[N97AndLikedIt]

lets face it the N97 realy **bleep** soo bad. All this argueing is just to make myself happier but i just figured out there is no way to argue the N97 is good. i have

N97 here are my problems :

backlight deosn't turn on sometimes,

auto shut down when C.mem full,

Cannot open 3+"functioning" apps eg internet download, games, bluetooth transfers, Random screen flickers,

extremely annoying auto rotate,

stucks when using animated theme,

stuck when typeing with qwerty,

have to delete like 20+ SMS a day or C is full and gets stucks,

Camara sratches,

Camara low quality (the E75 has higher quality: dun know why), laggs heavily all the time,

Calls get cut off most of time if multitasking,

Video call is impossible for me,

when playing a song is get stuck at regualar intervals,

And sometimes the phone deosn't unlock if u got a lock code it just freezes( and at realy crucial times),

Alarm dun turn off(i rather use a 1100's alarm),

Ring tone sometimes rings after i've taken the call!!!!!! EXTREMELY ANNOYING on the other side they are like 'whats that sound?",

now my phone is overcloged; 20GB full of songs,movies,and other important files, C mem 4mb - 5mb left( with reguallar deleting of 20+ unimportant SMS a day), but the  N97 supposed to supposed to and process the data instead it lagging TOOO MUCH.

touch screen takes 7-8seconds to respond(timed it).

Whats worse is i gave away my seriously awesome W960i to buy this broken piece of USEless "bleep" W960i better than this phone is all ways.

I was cheated by Nokia true, but i acsept it as a mistake made by myself. So cannot blame anyone. Since i'm only 14y kid i cannot do anything big to change my phone or anything.

I"M GREATLY DISAPPOINTED.. i wasn't with a stable mind

Message Edited by alphaman on 15-Nov-2009 03:32 AM

[N97AndLikedIt]

lol if u say something like "Sony erricson better than Nokia" they take that off lol

[N97AndLikedIt]

hey i found out how to greatly increase the camera quality ~!!!!! i mean first it looks like its a 1.3mp pic but after the adjustment u get quality 5mp pics. Its the FirmWire the camare software sucks

Change the Camera flash from Automatic - On

u will notice large difference in quality

i just wanna help if i'm wrong correct me

[hbund188]

N97AndLikedIt

"Change the Camera flash from Automatic - On

u will notice large difference in quality"

I just have the flash off majority of the time..

[N97AndLikedIt]

ohh ic but my Camera quality changed greatly after the adjustment, all the doted lines and the part of the flash was gone. what remains is a clean image with a 5mp quality

i think its only for my mobile maybe... o.o but worth a try

[cpitchford]

There's a big problem with the camera lens. The slider can scratch the lens cover if dirt gets caught between the slider and the lens.. lots of people have complained about this.. and Nokia will replace the cover.. I think they acknowledge it is a real problem.. BUT..

If you have dirt or grease on the lens cover, it causes light from the flash to be reflected back into the camera.. think of trying to use a normal camera to take a photo (with flash turned on) through a really dirty window.. the light gets reflected off the dirt and you don't see much of whatever is on the other side of the window..

You've got to be really careful, but try cleaning the lens (use the black screen cleaner that came with the phone.. that seems to work well for me)

[N97AndLikedIt]

thx alot Kudos for u

[cpitchford]

Not a prob.. I hope it helps.. The software problems will disappear as new firmwares come out.. but the hardware limits (c: space, camera lens) can only be helped with tricks like that.. its a pain, but hopefully it'll keep you going!..