[sygys]

I just read some info about n97, i saw it has a terrible slow processor and again not an seperate GPU... What is nokia doing??

Havent they learned from the n96, who now after 3 firmware updates still hangs when 2 apps are demanding to much power... This is gonna be a terrible mistake!

On demo movie's on the official nokia site you can see if you look very closely that when a person start a program it skips several seconds in the movie, let people think the app starts instantly. but they just cut out a few seconds so no one will notice it. This thing is just to slow for the new firmware.

Before i had the n96, i had the n95. Man the n95 is fast! it has a seperate GPU and it has a better CPU. When you play a game like creatures of the deep. on the n96 and n95, you instantly notice that the n95 is far more faster then the n96. While i thought newer is better and faster! its not with nokia. newer means slower and more bugs.

The n97 has again more functions better visuals and more demanding programs. and yet still they equip it with only a CPU that is like 3 years old? and slower then the n95?

Nokia thinks "so what we are the number one selling phones in the world" Well if they not bring out a descent phone soon every one will run to other manufacturers like many allready did!

Well i know why they do it! the batteries they make are just not it! and the only thing they can do is reducing the power demand on CPU and other hardware resulting in lower preformance. Its time they ask other companies who CAN make batteries to do it for them. the battery has always been the bottleneck and it always will be if they dont change anything.

I looked forward to the n97 until all this popped up! it will be the same as for my n96 now. And Im getting tired of it

[psychomania]

Funny, most reviewers are mentioning how fast the N97 performs, even with it's early firmware.

Perhaps you should try it for yourself before blindly believing what people are saying based purely on it's processor speed?  Speed isn't everything, you also have to take into account how well optimised the operating system is for the hardware it's running on.  S60v5 is very well optimised, S60v3FP1 wasn't.  Have you forgotten how bad the early N95 firmwares were, it was slower than the N96 at first!

I don't know how you can say that the N97 is slower than an N95, have you run side by side tests?  The 5800xm has a slower processor than the N97 yet it is much faster than the N95. 

I agree the N96 was slow until later firmwares and should have been faster but don't judge the N97 until you've tried it.

At the end of the day you have a choice what to buy so you are not forced to buy nokia.  So maybe it's time you quietly moved on to another brand?  Maybe you will see that the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Message Edited by psychomania on 08-Jun-2009 09:07 AM

[cjlim]

I fully concur with Psycho.

Just because the N97 has a slower processor on paper does not necessarily mean it is going to be slow. There are more ways than one to speed up a phone. Nokia have been working on optimising the operating system.

I cannot comment on the N97, not having used it myself and I am sure you haven't either. However, I do use the N96 and an N95-2 all the time. I have not noticed the N96 with V20.050 firmware to be slower. There are times when both phones experiences pauses but generally both are pretty much the same. 

[sygys]

Games like prince of persia or very stuttering on the n96 and work perfect on the n95 because of a seperate GPU. that the n96 and the n97 dont have.

My current n96 is very bad, it just is! really! it hangs all the time. somtimes no background light or no response at all.

Its insane that they dont fix it before they bring it on the market! Now the latest firmware 20. is just a tiny little better. They test these machines over and over. you cant tell me they knew the n96 was very slow when they brought it on the market with lots of bugs. Why do they bring a product on the market that they now is not working correct?

And if the new firmware 5 is everything why isn't it available for the n96 with some tweaks?

I am a great fan of nokia as from my first nokia 3210 till the n70 it was great. the N95 had the same anoying problems that the n96 now has. it frustrates people to put out the battery at least once a day because the whole system freezes. And i agree that not everyone has these problems because there are also people who only make calls with it. but i use the phone max! every app that i can use is on this thing like Ngage, ebuddy, fsecure, hyves, google maps, 3 e-mail accounts, flickr, 600 songs mp3 on it, 4 full lenght movies, 500 photo's.

But i think a phone of this caliber needs to take this! and the n95 does but the n96 after a year still dont. Its freakin downgraded and so is the n97. you will notice it. and when you see it for yourself think of my words.

Ill stay with nokia i just love the interface and the open source. but i hope they will soon have something that actually works! They are getting behind.. they now gonna release a phone a iphone allready has and more! not to mention that apple probably allready finished their new phone again 10 times better then the n97. and we are still waiting for an outdated n97 wich features allready seen on many other phones.

I think they are losing it... maybe its time for some new people in charge there. i dont know.

I just keep hoping one day i can decently use my n96 without freezes,bugs and anyoing waiting times!

[psychomania]

So really it's the N96 you are yet again complaining about, not the N97? Perhaps you should have researched the N96 better before purchase?

As a smartphone the N97 outperforms the N96 and N95 by a great margin.  I'm sure more people would prefer this improvement than it's ability to play games better than older models.

So based on your opinions the N97 isn't a good phone because it isn't as good as the N95 at games because of the lack of a GPU? You appear to be totally jaded by this fact and declare that it's a bad phone without considering it's other features and performance improvements.

Only a handfull of games actually made full use of the N95's GPU anyway.  99% of N97 users will not even notice the lack of a dedicated GPU anyway!

I would say it certainly is time for you to move on to another brand, instead of bashing a model without considering the full facts.

[korngear]

Hmm, thank you for opening this thread, look man, time goes by and Nokia somehow I believe learnt lesson from the previous mistakes like the other companies. No s60 smartphone is nearly 100 percent perfect, but atleast later Nokia devices such as 5800, N79, N85, N82 etc have very lower rate of restartings, hangings, bugs etc.

And it is 2009, not 2007. Lets see what Nokia unleashes with its N97, it is soon to launch in our country..then I am gonna test it by myself, look up for it at the reviewer's corner, and then I can tell how is it.

Earlier phones suffered a lot, interim phones got sw updates and got cured slowly. N95 and N96 both of 'em neededsw upgrades to run smoother. I feel sorry for your N96 though.

I have tried Samsung though, but their battery drains so fast and I didnt like the way they optimized s60 for their handsets, switched to Nokia again and am very pleased with N79.

Like Psyko said, it is not always about the speed, it also depends heavily how the sw is optimized to perform to make you please, as long as you are please with your phone with its functional abilities that is just okay.

Al though I agree Xenon and separate GPU should be implemented on future phones...

BTW Psycho, are you planning on to buy new like N97?

[gawein]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGZVn1g4tvw

See it and judge if you accept. I totally do by the way.

Message Edited by gawein on 09-Jun-2009 04:12 AM

[sygys]

The buttons slightly delay if you look closely also the frame rate of the game is low to very low because of the lack of a GPU.

I just saw on the offcial website of nokia that it wil have a single core CPU. so it cannot split up tasks and if more programs run he can only do one at a time. are there any movies showing multi tasking of the n97?

It will also have the same amount of ram (128 mb) now when i start several programs and wanna try to open the camera it will tell me to shut down some programs. i hope they fix this too with the n97.

For the rest i cant judge. except for my previous experience with high end devices. and mainly i was always right.

Lets see the reaction on this forum the day it is released...

I really hope im wrong and it will work perfectly (they sure took their time building it)

[psychomania]

The 5800 only has a single CPU and it multi tasks just fine whilst still managing to be faster than the N95 and N96.

The N97 is faster than the 5800 so multi tasking will not be a problem for it.

Also remember that many of the videos out there showing the N97 in action are based on the beta firmware, not the final production firmware.

It's lack of GPU is totally irrelevant to the majority of users that the N97 is targeted at.

You really do need to stop judging it based on your negative opinions of the N96. Read some of the professionally written reviews out there and try the phone for yourself.

[sygys]

those professional writers also write that the n96 is a flagship, whats obviously is wrong too.

specs of iphone:

Looks like today's morning's firmware leak turned up some well hidden details about the iPhone's hardware engine -- and also confirming some reports we'd previously received. From what we can tell, it looks like the iPhone's got a 620MHz ARM chip running under the hood. Specifics:

• ARM1176JZF chip with TrustZone (enables trusted computing environment for media, apps, network, OS, etc. -- very bad for hackers)
• Can vary in clock speed up to 700MHz or more, depending on implementation (thanks, Nigma)
  
• ARM Intelligent Energy Manager (claimed to reduce power consumption 25-50% in portables)
• 16K / 16K cache
• Features vector floating point coprocessor ("for embedded 3D-graphics")
• ARM Jazelle enabled for embedded Java execution (hmm...)
• SIMD, high perf integer CPU (8-stage pipeline, 675 Dhrystone, 2.1 MIPS)
• 0.45 mW/MHz power draw (with cache)

Whatever it is Apple's got that thing doing, they're doing it right. Thus far our iPhone battery life tests have far exceeded expectations (more on that soon).

Now thats what i call specs. i played with it too. its insane good graphics, super fast, and tons of good programs.

Why is nokia not making a real flagship?

Well i stop this discussion only fanboys are here obviously!

We'll see how **bleep** it is!

[psychomania]

Typical spec junkie

Nokia never said the N96 was a flagship, many lemmings assumed that it was and bought it without doing their homework.

Why don't you do the board a favour and just buy yourself an iphone?  Trolling about the N97 because you wrongly choose a phone that was unsuitable for your needs is pretty desperate and pathetic.

[grschinon]

Once again, you're falling for specs on paper.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Wait until both phones are available before making meaningless comparisons.

[mccbleue]

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sygys wrote:

Looks like today's morning's firmware leak turned up some well hidden details about the iPhone's hardware engine...

Well i stop this discussion only fanboys are here obviously!

We'll see how **bleep** it is!

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This morning's leak? When I click the link I get an article from 2007!

And of course the Nokia fans are present on a Nokia forum, we're not smug enough for the Apple forums...

[feeda]

You are extremely right. Now consider E55 is not a Nokias flag ship device but it has a processor of 600MHZ and also all the other competitors of N97 have at least 600 MHz processor and 250 MB Ram and the flag ship device has 434MHZ and 128MB memory 

[feeda]

The problem with this discussion board is that most of the people are blind with the love of NOkia so much that they  are even not ready to listen the weakness of a device if u tell an example of samsung , apple or sonyericsson they will say  "ok you will buy them " without recognizing what is wrong . Nokia is the world leading mobile manufacturer , and your expectations with it are also high. By the way i am also the lover of nokia but not blind.

Let accept the weaknesses of belover  

[xenogriff]

basically i think the whole point that is trying to be made here is this : the phone should be tested out before making a judgement based on what is on paper

there are a lot of factors that can affect the performance of the phone, the processor being one of them but the argument being made here is that just because the processor is slower or not upgraded, then the phone is bad

this argument is being made WITHOUT any personal testing by the poster and is just making judgements based on what is on paper or what is being posted on the internet

long story short : do some research to make sure its features and capabilities meet ur needs but dont take it at face value - test the phone on ur own and make ur own decisions then

[gawein]

The problem is someone like to "drive the biggest car and laughing at other ones which small like chihuahua", and NOKIA phones cannot satisfied him.

And did we need to talk to him that "I like my chihuahua but ye~~~s, it's pooooorly small, oh~~~ I'm sad about this and we are looooosers~" ?

[el_loco]

hmmm,

I thought the N96 was mostly for TV and video playback, and it excells at this.

I must admit I don't play that many games and with the exception of a handful of apps I don't install every application out there, specially if they haven't gone through some testing. And I'm prepared to reset the device if I install something that has a negative effect. So I've been getting good service from the N96. Is the N95 faster?, not really, only in some specific applications that use the 3D graphics do you notice a difference.

Now about the N97. I won't repeat what has already been said by Psycho and others. You have to wait and see, and also test. I have no doubt that when the N97 comes out some people will load it up with a bunch of untested and unsigned applications and illegal software and they will run into problems and they will blame it all on the device and Nokia. 

That being said, there's an arms race in terms of CPU performance (just like in Camera Mpix, resolution of screen and size), and Nokia is not on par with some products. The focus at Nokia seemed to be in features and not so much in CPU power. The focus of the iPhone seemed to have been in CPU and less in features. 

So now Apple is having to add features to its iphone but is lagging behind (3 Mpix camera, VGA video, still no Flash, etc.), and Nokia is optimizing speed and performance. This is just to highlight my point but Samsung, Sony E, RIM are also having similar issues of speed vs. features.

So all you have to do is decide what's more important to you, the features, the real performance or the specs.

After all a car that has 500 HP that handles poorly is no better than a 190 HP Lotus Elise (IMHO), but for some it will be.

[ramauni13]

Sorry for my English, I m French

U say : "You have to wait" It's the real problem of this phone : WAITING, no date.

May, june, 12, 22 , after??? When.

I Phone 3GS : 22th of may.

N 97 ? : You have to wait

I think nokia have a real problem whith the N97 may be of conception.

OK i wait but may be not after the 22th of may....

[psychomania]

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ramauni13 wrote:

Sorry for my English, I m French

U say : "You have to wait" It's the real problem of this phone : WAITING, no date.

May, june, 12, 22 , after??? When.

I Phone 3GS : 22th of may.

N 97 ? : You have to wait

I think nokia have a real problem whith the N97 may be of conception.

OK i wait but may be not after the 22th of may....

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It's June already

The N97 is out in the US right now, before the iPhone 3GS.

It is also appearing in other countries over the course of the next few weeks, for example the UK gets from the 19th of June.

If you want a date for your country contact a retailer.