[sapporobaby]

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mccbleue wrote:

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vasapollo wrote:

...since you like to play tennis and I loved McEnroe...

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Isn't McEnroe the one who used to throw temper tantrums when he didn't get his own way? This is starting to become more and more clear

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vasapollo wrote:

Registered letters have been sent today to Nokia board members, Oftel, Agcom and Eu...

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That should give them a giggle...

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vasapollo wrote:

My statement remains:

Nokia must supply free of charge the arc file unpacker at any time and to all owners of Nokia sets.

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 This starts to sound like a broken record, but we'll humour you because we're all enjoying the show.

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vasapollo wrote:

Failing to satisfy customers needs Nokia will generate a negative customer experience all over in favour of better assisted phones. The news will quickly spread like a virus. And of course, I will be together with all my followers the promoter of the churned bottom figures due to lack of sales, sanctions and claimed damages payments.

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 In order to win on this basis, you'd have to establish two things:

(1) That Nokia is failing to provide something that all or a significant proportion of companies producing similar devices (e.g. Apple, Sony Ericsson, RIM, Samsung, HTC, et al) do provide.

(2) That a significant number of the 400-500 million people who buy Nokia phones each year (that figure being a guestimate based loosely on Nokia's 2008 Q4 figures of 113.1 million units sold and 2008 Q3 figures of 117.3 million units sold) are adversely affected by this alleged issue.

Ladies and gentlemen, pour yourselves a drink, relax in your favourite armchair and enjoy the show!!

Oh, and by the way, that ball was definitely out. There was no chalk dust. None at all...

Message Edited by mccbleue on 12-Oct-2009 07:30 PM

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BEST POST OF THIS ENTIRE THREAD. HELL, FORUM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 I love it.........

 I need oxygen. I cannot stop laughing..... 

[vasapollo]

Wrong!

1. All mobile phone producers in the short run will align with the market(customers) needs. Willingly or unwillingly.
2. The losers will be the unwillingly.
3. Customer is King and all applications/needs are and will be forever customer driven.
4. The number you mentioned is not in line with mine; however, the past will soon be forgotten unless Nokia learns to thrive on present chaos and therefore improves services and applicaitions. The killer ones, If I may suggest.  
5. Nokia needs/must anticipate customer needs before the competition.   
6. I am a customer since long time and I appreciate their products.
7. They are not anymore numero uno...
8. I would suggest not to drink for the moment but please be alert and watch straight to the ball since an ace is coming! Oh, I see another one there!
9. Nokia please wake up from letargy! the winter is over, times are hot and le chaleur is among us.
10. The arc unpacker must be free of charge to the world since yesterday!   

God be with you all and redeem all infidels! Customer will for eternity be the King. Customer brings always the solution in a silver plate to the ones who are humble and listen. I guess Mr. Olly is listening. 

I consider you mccbleu a nice guy but you are a little bit short sighted. Come on, wear contact lenses they are cheap and make you look better.

Vasapollo 

[grschinon]

You've still failed to tell us what Nokia has said that they would provide but failed to do so.

It's your money you're spending on this legal campaign so all I can say is "knock yourself out", but don't actually expect to get anywhere.

[mccbleue]

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vasapollo wrote:

God be with you all and redeem all infidels! Customer will for eternity be the King. Customer brings always the solution in a silver plate to the ones who are humble and listen.

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I'm with Oolon Colluphid on the whole 'God' issue, I believe that the meaning of life is '42' and eagerly await the coming of the Great Green Arkelseizure. I trust, however, that our religious differences won't be a problem between us!

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vasapollo wrote:

I consider you mccbleu a nice guy but you are a little bit short sighted. Come on, wear contact lenses they are cheap and make you look better.

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I try to be nice, indeed. I am in fact very short sighted, but with my glasses on I have 20/20 vision.

I still maintain that you'd have to establish a significant need for this feature in order to force any manufacturer to provide it, the customer is only that powerful in sufficient numbers. The two methods provided by Nokia to back up phone content are for security purposes to be restored back to a Nokia device, nobody ever claimed that these systems were general data archiving and retrieval systems.

Like grschinon, I eagerly await news on who everything goes!!

[vasapollo]

Watch, analyse carefully your propositions Witggestein would have said.....Apart from perfect vision you got to have a 360 degrees vision and, specifically, you got to watch your back. Evaluate carefully feelings, perceptions and premonition signs from the long tail....They'll soon get you.

As to religion: I'd like to be Arthur Dent and you maybe Ford Prefect.

'Where God Went Wrong? Maybe you can explain? From space I see you and you are good and badly paid.....Maybe losing your future in expectation?

What's your reason for fighting and why Doctor Who is reading...? My best number is 101.  Too much television..sorry.

As to Nokia again: I suggest now AND FORCE LATER the implementation of the arc file unpacker in Pc suite at the total advantage of Customers; detrimental of course to  middlemen exploiting lack of knowledge, opinionism and appearance.

There are no 2 methods! There is a backup file with whichever extension you want to identify it and Pcsuite must be the unpacker for all: nbu, arc, etc.

As to numbers, they grow quickly and religiosly talking you must agree that evangelism worked quite well among humang being animals and extraterrestrials.

I just got a response from Oftel They are digging into it.........

So three we are as the trilogy of philosophical blockbusters

Check your queen,

vasapollo   

[sockatume]

vasapollo, Nokia's got no legal obligation to provide such a product, but if you want to go out there and win this case, as you surely will, then we'd all be grateful. Please provide us with the name of the court and the case reference details.

[sockatume]

OFTEL doesn't exist any more. The body that regulates telephony is now called OFCOM. Do you own a time machine?

[sockatume]

"watch straight to the ball since an ace is coming"

I don't know what game you're playing, but I like it.

Oh, wait, Tennis has aces. There goes my dream of a fantastic Poker-Baseball hybrid.

Message Edited by sockatume on 16-Oct-2009 12:57 PM

[vasapollo]

Dear professor,

you are right it's Ofcom. Same objectives though. Since I worked for these guys while I stationed in De Meern The impressed name in my mind it's still Oftel....

Nokia will supply the arc unpacking code embedded in the Pc Suite sw very soon. McKinsey tells me.

I will keep you all informed.

All the best,

Vasapollo

[mccbleue]

Who is McKinsey, and what authority does he carry?

And where does this whole issue fit into the scope of support of OFCOM? They are a UK regulatory body concerned with protecting consumers in all aspects of communication. The back-up of data from a phone is no different to a backup of data in a PC or any other type of electronic device, I still don't see where anybody's legal rights are being infringed by not being able to read the phone backup outside the phone.

Message Edited by mccbleue on 16-Oct-2009 03:36 PM

[vasapollo]

Sorry it's genetic I can't help you out. I suggest Lou Marinoff He might help.

[sapporobaby]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz........

[pc0019]

Stop bickering you children! Regardless of whether or not Nokia have an obligation to supply some sort of reader for their ARC format, it would be rather useful...

[grschinon]

Agreed 200%!

It's the gun-blazing, "I'm suing Nokia in a European court for not providing it" attitude that got everyone worked up and trying to show the OP that legal action was not the route to take. It's a bit like suing a car manufacturer for not providing cup holders in the car when there was no mention that there would ever be any.

[vasapollo]

dear /t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/27913

You fail to understand community needs, legal rights and correctness. For you information Nokia will supply the sw asap. They are just having a little chatl with Nokisoft though! Vested interests? Maybe.

Cup holders in a car ? You are a quite strange nice little guy! Achilles and Plato would consider you for study.

However, I ask all Nokia users to spread around the news :noki software is our own and we will have it for free and and for right soon.

Love to believers and agnositic allthesame. 

[mccbleue]

But the whole point is that we do understand these things:

Community needs are determined by numbers. If a significant proportion of phone users asked for this, it would be there; but there is no demand and therefore no commercial purpose in developing this software. Has anybody made a written commitment that they will provide this software?

Legal rights are clear - can you state country where the law states that these backup files must be openable outside the phone?

Correctness is a matter of opinion, as you can see from the differing opinions in this thread.

[sapporobaby]

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mccbleue wrote:

But the whole point is that we do understand these things:

Community needs are determined by numbers. If a significant proportion of phone users asked for this, it would be there; but there is no demand and therefore no commercial purpose in developing this software. Has anybody made a written commitment that they will provide this software?

Legal rights are clear - can you state country where the law states that these backup files must be openable outside the phone?

Correctness is a matter of opinion, as you can see from the differing opinions in this thread.

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Exactly. He has provided nothing other than his opinion. Where are the legal precedents or opinions regarding this? He drones on and on without one single fact other than his semi-skewed opinion. It's great to talk legal this and legal that, however the fact remains. It is not what you know but what you can prove and to date he has proven ZERO POINT ZERO. 

We can only hope.... 

[orref]

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It's the gun-blazing, "I'm suing Nokia in a European court for not providing it" attitude that got everyone worked up and trying to show the OP that legal action was not the route to take. It's a bit like suing a car manufacturer for not providing cup holders in the car when there was no mention that there would ever be any.

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No. It's a bit like suing a car manufacturer for locking your belongings inside your own car and refusing to release them unless you buy a new car from the same manufacturer.

The information contained in the backup.arc file (contacts list, text messages, emails, etc) is clearly my intellectual property. Now Nokia is actually preventing me from accessing my own property for their commercial gain (making it impossible for Nokia users to move their information to a cellphone of a different brand).

There is nothing reasonable about this at all.

[orref]

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Community needs are determined by numbers. If a significant proportion of phone users asked for this, it would be there; but there is no demand and therefore no commercial purpose in developing this software.

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Please do a Google search on backup.arc or any other of the encrypted file formats Nokia uses to prevent users to access their own data. You'll see there is a lot of demand for this.

[sockatume]

How does this benefit Nokia commercially? They don't sell any .arc unpacking applications.

It's not encryption so much as a bespoke compression scheme. If it was encrypted then you'd have a hard time getting any kind of software to extract files from it, because you'd need a secret key.