[ooey]

yes - im sure there is some stupid eu directive limiting volume levels.

As for the music on the 5800 i'd give it 4 out of 5 because the volume level could do with being raised a notch or too, but thats all. I listen to easy listening mostly, and would only need to use the extra volume to drown out those with players that thump out **bleep** ear-splitting techno etc. on the underground!

battery 5/5. - many phones will last 2 days on a full charge, you can expect this this one to last double that.

camera 2/5 - the camera is the main disapointment on this phone (considering its the same as the 6500 slides camera, it should be excellent, but somehow isnt).

[actitud]

" But I don't like to have my headphones turned up too loud anyways"

OK, then you will not be able to understand what this post is trying to say.

Thanks.

Alex.

[actitud]

Again...I think I wasn't enought clear...wasn't I?

I don't care what EU regulation wants...I'm not an EU citizen and my cell phone is the international version.

Again, the sound is good but the volume is sh***. I don't like to hear people talking in the bus and that is happening.

Question...WHY THIS CELL PHONE HAS LESS VOLUME THAN n85? This one is supposed to be a Music device and is not (Xpress Music ??? Thats a lie...)

Can anybody understand that? GOD!!!

I think many of you work in Nokia and you don't want to accept this is true.I tried to find some information about sound on this forum before buy it but with this kind of comments (from people which think that 100db is enough!!!!!!!) its imposible to see the truth.

I shoulnd't bougth this cell phone...

ARGGGHHHH!!!!!

Alex.

[sebdee]

Sure, many of us understand what you are trying to say but having an online tantrum won't help! 

If you don't want to hear people talking on the bus, get some noise canceling phones, much preferable than keep turning it up and anyway have some respect for the people around you, why should they suffer the noise escaping form your head phones?

Personally,  I  don't understand your need / obsession with continuous loud "music" - in my opinion its totally unnecessary and you are missing one of the fundamental attributes of most music - the differentiation in volume. But then again I earn my living recording real music for people that appreciate real music

Additionally, by setting volume to the maximum you are operating most of the components outside there optimum setting which will result in the degradation of the sound quality.   

Guess you'll need a phone with a pretty big screen soon as you'll need to display the sign language for your calls because you won't be able to hear a damn!

[kayesaccount]

have any solution to improve sound volume ?? or any music software for 5800

[kayesaccount]

where is bass booster ? i'm not found any think like that in settings

[ruifcastro]

Bass booster has a different name in version 20 and 21, its called Loudness. But actual the help files still call it bass booster and I do think it is bass. It doesn't get louder, i wish.

[actitud]

I cant understand why this is a solution.

The volume problem is still there.

[sebdee]

There is unlikely to be a solution that meets your personal expectations - the volume is limited by EU legislation (to 100db) and there are ongoing discussions to further reduce this to 80db so from your point of view things may only get worse with future devices!

You could consider a headset amplifier to boost the output (I recall seeing battery powered portable devices) or noise canceling headphones to help reduce extraneous noise.

However, in my opinion, the sensible solution would be to consider listening at a lower volume - the probability of  permanent hearing damage from listening to loud noise directly pumped into the ears is VERY high, much more than the probability of getting lung cancer from smoking (say). You may, of course, need the excessive volume to compensate for the hearing damage that has already occurred, in which case its even more important to "turn it down" else you are just accelerating further damage!

[actitud]

Again, thats a lie!!!!! Come one!!!

N85 has much better volume and both are NOKIA so...this is just an excuse. Its a model released almost at the same time than 5800 XM so, thats not an excuse.

When are you going to understand it???

Alex.

[sebdee]

What part the lie?

a) Max volume IS capped by EU legislation - different devices/software may implement this slightly differently (and likely differences between instances of the same device).

nb: Personally I don't agree with the nanny state but that assumes that most people are rational and considerate, we appear to have to protect stupid people from their own ignorance, and others from the same (eg McDonalds need to warn that coffee may be hot, laws needed to convince people its thoroughly unsafe to use a phone whilst driving etc etc).  

b) You WILL cause irreversible  damage to your ears, consistent loud volume with not variation is the worse case. Not just my opinion but subject to much uncontested medical research  I know a great deal about this as its a huge issue within my industry (sound recording engineer). 

c)  It is thoroughly obnoxious to make others around you suffer the infernal noise escaping form headsets played at excessive volume.

d) Noise reducing headset would help to extinguish extraneous outside noise, rather than just trying to blast any competition.

SO when are YOU going to understand???? 

Surely, if the volume is SO ineffective this would have been obvious very early on so why the heck didn't you simply take it back, or even, if this element is so important to you, why didn't you try this  prior to purchase, rather than just ranting about it on this forum?

No one here can help you magically enhance the volume (even if there were a magic hack, the board rules wouldn't allow it to be mentioned) and this is not the communication line to get your grievance heard by Nokia.

[actitud]

a - slightly differently??? Not true!. The difference between n85 and 5800 XM is pretty noticeable. Rigth, stupid people. Personaly i try to be carefull with my coffe and since McDonalds is crowded of stupid (US) people, i don't like it.

b -  Congratulations! BTW, I don't care. I know about the damage but a little bit more volume will not cause much problem. Just a bit more than 100db (i think this **bleep** phone has less than that).

c - My headphones doesn't cause external noise. I'm not a US citizenship who likes to invade (torture) other peoples lifes :robotvery-happy:

d - right....

What I understand is that YOU work for Nokia.

I bought the item in Amazon and I live in South America so, its quite hard to return it back.Also, there is no way to try the item prior to purchase.

[sebdee]

hmmm....  

Not sure if its me you are trying to get at with your anti US statements, but I am neither a US citizen or a Nokia employee. My citizenship is pretty irrelevant to this thread but I am a sound recording engineer for EMI Classics (which may be more pertinent) . You and others asked the question, I simply gave a rational answer, It just happened to be one you didn't like to hear.

"Bit more volume...":  Indisputable  evidence clearly indicates you are wrong, but I guess  your impeccable medical qualification in this area allow you to contradict this research, or you'll just ignore it as it doesn't suit you (ignorance is bliss). Sounds louder that 85db WILL eventually damage your hearing, to put this in perspective a normal conversation is about 60db and a chain saw is about 100db (something you are probably familiar with as your kin destroy the rain forest - touche!) why the heck do you want music as loud as a chain saw? Though in my humble, but educated opinion "Black Metal" hardly qualifies as music.

A "safe" duration at 85db is about 7 hours (In my work I often need to wear headphones for hours at a time, but I ensure this is always at an average sub 80db level, this allows for peaking at higher levels) this is reduced to around 12 MINUTES at 100db and at 110db this is reduced to 1 minute, 130db is a threshold of physical pain and can result in immediate hearing loss.  So feel free to ignore the inconvenient truth and go deaf, I don't really care. You may hope that you go deaf sooner rather than later as young brains have a greater propensity to learn sign language than older ones!

At 100db your headphones DO have noise escaping from them, they all do, even our studio Sennheiser phones at around £1,000. Worst of all, some frequencies are more absorbed than others so it sounds even worse externally (though I refer you to my previous comment, I'm not sure it could get worse than the original source!) 

I'm sure Amazon has a perfectly adequate return policy, if amazon can post to you, you can surely post it back!

Quite frankly, I'm not really sure what your motivation is for posting here. I reiterate : No one here can help you magically enhance the volume  and this is not the communication line to get your grievance heard by Nokia.

OR Are you just wanting to "sound-off". 

[actitud]

""Black Metal" hardly qualifies as music"

That's the opinion of an Sound Engineer? Shame on you! Try to hear some of Opeth and let me know.

And please, stop the technical bull**** please. I want to have more volume. This seems to be a dictatorial government telling what to do with your life.

With all respect, I don't care what YOU think about ear damage. I'm not saying that's not true (you are the expert), I can take that, but that's NOT the point here. Understood?

Other contemporary devices like n85 have much more volume so, where is the consistency on Nokia criteria??? That's the main problem CONSISTENCY!

I'm posting here because I thought like other phones, there should be some hack to increase the sound.

That's it man!

PERIOD!.

[sebdee]

I wasn't going to bother continuing this thread, it was pretty much exhausted; @Acitud seems convinced that the louder one plays music  the better! Personally I totally disagree, quite the converse actually-  as one destroys the dynamic range of the music by operating at the extreme of the amplification, as well as causing hearing loss, but he's welcome to his own views! 

However, yesterday I noticed that  a colleague actually owns  a n85, so I asked for a listen and decided to conduct a little experiment. Is wasn't a controlled/scientific experiment but I did use the same headphones (my etymotics) and we both had the same album in common (John Coltrane's "Blue Train" ) though I accept there may be differences in ripping rate/method etc,  we both had all settings as neutral.

My findings were interesting. We both concur with  Acitud that the volume is marginally louder with the n85 (not hugely but noticeable), however we both agreed that the sound quality was generally inferior to that of the 5800 and especially (and very noticeably) as volume increased - this was particularly noticeable with the tenor  saxophone on "Blue Train" and even more so on the trumpet on the track "Locomotion" (ie at higher pitch).

So what's the use of additional volume if the sound quality deteriorates so much? it just doesn't make sense to me!

As for Opeth (well you did ask) - I do know of them (I have worked in the music industry for over ten years and have been exposed to the whole continuum of music). Personally not to my taste - I think it, along with most music of this type, boring and repetitive to the extent of being dull, the music has no intellectual construct and  the musicianship is, at best, mediocre (IMHO). Now compare that to Mozart or Mahler, played by a world class orchestra, for example.............. 

Message Edited by sebdee on 22-May-2009 11:24 AM

[ooey]

yes exactly! There is no point in listening to rubbish like 'drum n bass' at full volume - you dont need a sound engineer to tell you that ;-). Having said that, ive just come back from my hols, and had a terrible earache (when the plane descends from altitude) as i have a sinus problem. I could hardly hear the music on my 5800 comming home on the underground at full volume via my headphones! 

Like i said before, it could do with going up another 2 notches, but thats all. A low volume preserves the quality of music, whilst saving the battery, but im sure nokia could up the sound a bit via a firmware update if they wanted (and should) do.

[seppokoukkula]

Hi!

Coming from the Nokiacountry (Finland) I have of course also Nokia bluetooth headphones. 

Those headphones have their own volumecontrol. 

If I have full volume both on my 5800 and the headphones, the total volume is more than enough for me. 

And the headphones cover my ears totally, which is very good. 

I don´t know, but MAYBE they also increase the volume a little... 

Mostly I listen to internet radiostations (musicstations) with mobile broadband in my 5800 and I almost never can have full volume, because it´s too much for a pleasant listening experience. 

[actitud]

As you said, is should not talk about things you don't really know.

Opeth is everything but "boring and repetitive". Believe me.

They are quite virtuous musicians, all of them with a deep classical music knowledge like many of the best metal musicians.

Please, try it before talk. The last disk is pretty good (Watershead) (no my favorite one but good any ways)

And thanks for your comments regarding n85 sound test. It was helpful.

Have a nice day!

Alex.

[actitud]

Hey!

Yes, i did try those headphones and i like them, but the thing is like sebdee said, they let the sound come out and other people get mad about it.

My in ear bose didn't let the sound come out which is quite good in my opinion.

Thanks.

Alex.

[ubarua1]

Considering the loudness of the 5800xm, i m quite happy with it.. The only thing i m unhappy about is, the volume increment levels.. they need to be smoother..

I know wht ear damage is, coz now i m a victim.. I used to listen to loud music on my phillips sbc headphones, which probably DJ's use .. Now i get ear pain if i listen to music even for 2 hours.. 

So, if you want good output, get good earphones!..