[phonehacker]

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mccoy1 wrote:
Ok, you are so helpful my friend. It's good to know that n8 doesn't have a red 'button'. It'd be great if you can also point us to where it says you can kill a frozen n8 with any button(doesn't matter which one as claimed).

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yeah even and the menu button

[synth_fg]

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mccoy1 wrote:
Ok, you are so helpful my friend. It's good to know that n8 doesn't have a red 'button'. It'd be great if you can also point us to where it says you can kill a frozen n8 with any button(doesn't matter which one as claimed).

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Did you not read the thread

Page 8 of the user manual

google n8 manual your sure to find a copy

[mccoy1]

what thread and why?

Is it not what the power button is supposed to do normally, to restart the phone when it hangs? Now, N97 has that button but it doesn't always help it if it freezes. There's a different between not responding application and a frozen phone.

we need an official nokia document (manual ) stating that a power button forces a frozen n8 to shut down under all circumstances.

[chanchan05]

@mccoy - I already gave you the link in my previous post. Its a link to the PDF file of the N8 manual, where it explicitly says on page 9 that you can kill an N8 by holding the power button. An interview with Nokia employees also confirmed this in an interview. I'd try to find that interview, buts its a bit tiresome to wade through pages of links to N8 articles.

[chanchan05]

@mccoy - The exact entry in the manual is "If your phone stops responing", meaning a frozen phone and just a frozen app.

[mccoy1]

well that's what the power button of any phone normally does: to turn it off when it stopped respon'ding'(by the way, isn't the same entry exists in all nseries manuals?)but that's not always the case with nokia's new phones. They just freeze and stuck there. P.s., what you got up there isn't an official nokia document. Someome said it's in the specs, but that is not true.

[psychomania]

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mccoy1 wrote:
, what you got up there isn't an official nokia document. 

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Here's the official document, hosted on Nokia's own servers, page 110 states:

http://nds1.nokia.com/phones/files/guides/Nokia_N8-00_UG_en.pdf

If your device stops responding

Reboot your device. Press and hold <power key> for about 8 seconds. The device vibrates three times and switches off. To switch your device on again, press <power key>. No content, such as contacts or messages, is deleted.

As you can see that is different to the method used on other N series devices.  Like on other non-nokia devices the hardware will be able to detect how long the button is held for and carry out the correct command, even if the software has crashed.

Obviously at this stage we have no way of knowing for sure if it will be 100% effective every time, like phones from other manufacturers it may be possible for it to get into a state where that command will not be accepted. As with other manufacturers if the phone does get in that state it will need to be returned for service.

[britzinelul24]

My N97 just freeze and I hold the power button for 1 min. and guess what, the only solution to this problem was to pull battery out of the phone.Nice

[psychomania]

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britzinelul24 wrote:
My N97 just freeze and I hold the power button for 1 min. and guess what, the only solution to this problem was to pull battery out of the phone.Nice

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Thats because the N97's hardware wasn't programmed to trigger a hardware reboot by holding the power button when frozen. The N8's hardware is so it may never be necessary to pull the battery.  As said above though it's too early to tell if that will always solve it.

If anyone is worried about this it's better to wait until the N8 has been on sale a month or so and see what problems get posted about it.

[foxmeister]

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jheel_online wrote:

a non user-replacable battery is simply a bad move. Why does nokia have to copy everything bad from apple? Come on.

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Nokia didn't really copy Apple. I had a Nokia Ringo back in 1999 that had a non user-replaceable battery.. Way before Apple released the iPod or iPhone

[jheel_online]

i still think a non user replaceable battery is a bad move. and whats ringo? nokia products here dont have names like nuron and like. they just have numbers like 5800, 6680, 9500 or N/E followed by a number. way before wright bros invented a plane, others did fly. but most of us don't really care about them, the wright bros did it right, and every subsequent flying machine in that era was a copy of the wright bros flier. Way before 5800xm, we had nokia 7710 with a touch interface, but a lot of people don't even know what's S90. The thing is, apple is the most popular device using a non removable battery. Nokia probably stopped producing phones with non removable batteries because they thought such devices were't attractive to consumers back in 1999. But contemporary history has a different story to narrate, the iPhone being one of the most popular smartphones these days. Hence, Nokia probably changed their mind again and came up with a non removable battery for the N8. It's evident from the above argument that the non removable battery in N8 isn't inspired by the 1999 success story of the nokia ringo (assuming ringo was a success), but by the 2010 success story of apple. I personally don't like apple's smartphone approach at all (I'm typing this on my N97, not a 3GS). And i don't want my nokia to walk on Job's footsteps please. Cheers

[archie_]

Most people who post here will be smart enough to remove the battery themselves. That can be forgiven. What cannot be forgiven are sins of the OS. Hopefully the Symbian^3 N8 combo works like a bomb - (Swiss) clockwork.

[jheel_online]

all people who'd be smart enough to remove the battery themselves, would also be dumb enough to invalidate the device warranty by performing an unauthorized chassis teardown.

[bazyeo]

Since the year 2000 I have owned several hp iPaq pocket PC's. Some with non removable batteries, some with user replaceable batteries. But all of them had a reset hole either on the bottom or side of the device. In the event of a problem (screen freeze, device responding slowly etc) all one had to do was insert the end of the stylus, a ballpoint pen or a glider clip into the hole to reset the device. Never had to change the battery in the ones that could be changed. Unfortunately Nokia are that far behind the times with their devices it is not funny.

And bringing out the N8 with a non removable battery is a move back to the last century. A non replaceable battery is a deal breaker for me as is the fact that it only has one speaker and not two like my X6. I certainly think the management at Nokia have lost the plot. About time for an overhaul at Nokia starting I think with the man at the top.

Also my iPaqs had batteries with greater capacity that the ones Nokia is putting in their phones. Another mute point is screen size. My iPaqs had screens of 3.7 or 4.00 inches and my TomTom 750 has a screen size of 4.3 inches. Navigation on my X6 with a 3.2 inch screen is woeful when compared to the TomTom. I think it is about time Nokia management got with it and start by trying to lead the industry instead of playing catch up.

[mccoy1]

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phonehacker wrote:

yeah even and the menu button

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What's that buddy?

[archie_]

@jheel_online

Yes, I just saw that story of authorized battery removal only. It's on page 13 of the English N8 user guide. IMHO, battery changes for any model phone should be minimal. I guess some people would like to have had an extra battery as a backup for quick change. There are other portable power solutions that Nokia may want to push. Shouldn't be a deal breaker.

[mccoy1]

@Bazyea, I agree. Kudos for ya.
Also, I think the n8 monospeaker is going to be even worse than those of N97. However, I think some folks won't worry too much about the speaker if the system is stable. It'd have been great if nokia invested on stabibilty, more memory, ram and better processor than just big 12 mega pixial camera (5 mp is enough).

[synth_fg]

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archie_ wrote:
@jheel_online

Yes, I just saw that story of authorized battery removal only. It's on page 13 of the English N8 user guide. IMHO, battery changes for any model phone should be minimal. I guess some people would like to have had an extra battery as a backup for quick change. There are other portable power solutions that Nokia may want to push. Shouldn't be a deal breaker.

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It does include the micro usb charging which is a rairaty for a nokia phone

and TBH my N96 is usualy plugged to either a wall or car charger unless I am out and about

so unless you want a phone for hiking in remote locations a spare batt is not esential,

as for the speeker, there arn't many circumstances where I use the sterio speakers in my old n96, usualy just in the back garden in the summer,

out and about or in the office the headphones jack gets more use and in the car I assume I will be using the N8's FM transmitter

[foxmeister]

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jheel_online wrote:
i still think a non user replaceable battery is a bad move. and whats ringo? nokia products here dont have names like nuron and like. they just have numbers like 5800, 6680, 9500 or N/E followed by a number.

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Nokia Ringo

http://press.nokia.com/PR/199702/775541_5.html

Also Nokia had the 7280 and 7380 handsets that had non-user replaceable batteries

[kavi6233]

I suggest that you observe the device in the wild first  then go for it.

Its a risk nowadays to jump on devices like that. Remember what happened to the N97?

So lets wait and see.