[sister_bliss]

nokia would make a huge mistake if it were to make the next communicator based on s60.

s80 is a very stable platform, as we can see from the recent s60 phones, they have been far from problem free from launch.

there has not really been a widespread issue with s80 phones on launch so far - if i got the opportunity, i would tell nokia not to use s60 for another communicator.

it would render the whole s60/80/90 thing pointless anyway.

lol, why cant we have an s40 communicator?

[wearabnet]

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21-Aug-2006
10:43 AM
rufao wrote:

you are essentially saying that s60 will be adapted to s80 - whats the point in spending all the money on that?

when it comes to the keyboard, its part of the s80 spec, the s60 spec doesnt include support for a keyboard, even though you do see some devices with some.

the s60 rel 3 phones are only using the latest version of symbian becuase they have just been released. should a new communicator be released, naturally it will use one of the newer versions. symbian version is not just tied into series.

you need to put this into perspective, why should nokia spend money on bringing s60 to the same spec as s80? nokia alread has s80 so why not more phones like this? but then again, i'm not sure you have thought about that yet...

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Sigh. You have absolutely no idea of the technologies involved. To get S80 up to Symbian OS 9 spec would require enormous investment. It's vastly easier and cheaper to create a S60-based device with keyboard (which is fully supports) and even touch-screen (which it also now supports). Nokia have put a lot into S60 3rd Edition and Symbian OS 9 and I can quite see why they're doing things the way they are....

[rufao]

right, thats a fairly insulting comment you have just made there, given you know nothing about my background and interests.

can you point me to an official nokia release saying that this is the case?

[wearabnet]

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21-Aug-2006
12:30 PM
rufao wrote:
right, thats a fairly insulting comment you have just made there, given you know nothing about my background and interests.

can you point me to an official nokia release saying that this is the case?

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Sorry I didn't mean to insult you.

I apology

There is no official nokia release saying next communicator will be based on S80 either.

[seraphim]

i would also be fairly surprised to see nokia abandon the s80 platform.

as others have pointed out, s60 has been far from stable lately...

[wearabnet]

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21-Aug-2006
08:31 PM
seraphim wrote:
i would also be fairly surprised to see nokia abandon the s80 platform. as others have pointed out, s60 has been far from stable lately...

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Making a couple of UI tweaks to make S60 look and work like S80 certainly will cost less and take much less time than porting the entire S80 to Symbian OS 9.x

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21-Aug-2006
08:31 PM
seraphim wrote:
when it comes to the keyboard, its part of the s80 spec, the s60 spec doesn't include support for a keyboard, even though you do see some devices with some.

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Does the qwerty keyboard of the E70 work? Yes, it does. Isn't it all we need? It really doesn't matter if the support is 'native' or if it is an additional driver or patch.

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21-Aug-2006
08:31 PM
seraphim wrote:
You need to put this into perspective, why should Nokia spend money on bringing s60 to the same spec as s80? Nokia already has s80

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Nokia only has S80 for old, obsolete Symbian OS 7. It would require porting the entire platform to Symbian OS 9.x as Symbian OS 9.x is not backwards compatible, has a new kernel, new binary format, new file system structure and new security system. Shortly speaking: it's completely different. As I wrote many times, it is DEFINITELY much easier to tweak the EXISTING S60 platform's Symbian OS 9.x compatible 3rd Edition to make it fit the Communicator line than to port the entire Series 80 platform to Symbian OS 9.x from scratch. To finally UNIFY the development. The simple question is: why have THREE INCOMPATIBLE PLATFORMS if you can have ONE. Why have 3 separate SDKs, why have three separate support teams, FAQs, knowledge bases, etc. etc. This only makes it slower, more difficult and more costly to develop for Symbian OS. S60 3rd Edition supports many screen resolutions (from small phone screens to large VGA screens like the one of 7710), many different input methods (from phone keypad to touch screen), flexible, scalable UI, etc. Please let me repeat it one more time: it is NOT just a matter of a 'look and feel'. Both the S80 and S90 are based on the OLD Symbian OS version 7 and it would require to PORT them (or actually create them from scratch) for the new OS versions 9 and up. Porting S60 to Symbian OS 9.x took almost TWO YEARS. The first S60 3rd Edition phone (N91) was delayed by almost a year because of all the problems and efforts required. It doesn't make sense to sacrifice another year or so and huge money to port S80 and S90 to Symbian OS 9.x if you can just take the existing OS 9.x compatible S60 platform and tweak it for Communicators. Regards, Arabian We Arab Portal Network

[karim]

Ok, Arabian you seem to be getting a little over excited on this issue.

Calm it down.

Right now there are no new announcements from Nokia about a new communicator.

If you would like this thread to continue, I suggest you start talking about what you would like to see in it. At the moment, this thread is not helpful or constructive.

Regards
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Karim

[wearabnet]

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22-Aug-2006
10:52 AM
karim wrote:
Ok, Arabian you seem to be getting a little over excited on this issue.

Calm it down.

Right now there are no new announcements from Nokia about a new communicator.

If you would like this thread to continue, I suggest you start talking about what you would like to see in it. At the moment, this thread is not helpful or constructive.

Regards
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Karim

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Karim,

I wont post on this thread regarding this issue again.

Thank you,

Arabian
We Arab Portal Network

[karym6]

just thought i would drag up this old thread in the light of the E90 release.

the e90 is a massive departure for the communicator series of phones and seems to have drawn more critisiscm than praise.

so far, some articles reporting on this device are calling this Nokia's new **bleep** moment. given the comments made here, i thought it may be good to have a retrospective on this.

one of the posts on this thread mentions it would cost nokia to much to bring the s80 up to spec. recent reports have mentioned nokia has spent more money on advertising the E90 than it would take to modernise the s80 platform - a lot more.

the floor is open, what do you all think?

[e90n95]

MAYBE NOT POPULAR BUT ALTHOUGH I HAD (AND STILL HAVING) ALL THE COMMUNICATORS FROM THE 9000 TILL THE 9500,STIL, I LIKE THE E90 A LOT.
I THINK ITS A GOOD QUALITY PRODUCT AND A NICE DESIGN.
A BIT CHANGE FROM THE 80 BUT MORE ADVANTAGES THEN DISADVANTAGES.
I HAVE IT ALMOST A MONTH AND IT NEVER CRASHED!
MY 80 BASE COMMUNICATORS CRASHED DAILY IN THEIR GOOD TIME...

[awesome]

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03-Aug-200703:34 PM
karym6 wrote:
just thought i would drag up this old thread in the light of the E90 release.

the e90 is a massive departure for the communicator series of phones and seems to have drawn more critisiscm than praise.

so far, some articles reporting on this device are calling this Nokia's new **bleep** moment. given the comments made here, i thought it may be good to have a retrospective on this.

one of the posts on this thread mentions it would cost nokia to much to bring the s80 up to spec. recent reports have mentioned nokia has spent more money on advertising the E90 than it would take to modernise the s80 platform - a lot more.

the floor is open, what do you all think?

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I don't think Nokia really spend alot of money on Ads for E90, look to IPhone, and how Apple got alot of users to buy it while it doesn't match E90 featutres like HSPDA, and G3.

Beside there is a shortage of the E90 availability in many regions and still more expensive than the recommended price by Nokia.

For Example It was sold in State of Qatar by the Nokia official agents in State of Qatar like Consolidated Gulf Co and Cellucom LLC for $ 1430 when it was launched in here, while in Dubai it was for $ 800.

Now they market it for $ 1100.

Go figure it out if you are interested

[iantaylor27]

The E90 is not a mass market phone like N95 or apple Iphone, its never gonna sell like those models. Its a premium device