[sapporobaby]

Interesting article by Steve Litchfield:

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/In_defense_of_the_Cargo_Cult_Communicator.php

[barte90]

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02-Sep-200708:50 AM
sapporobaby wrote:
Interesting article by Steve Litchfield:

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/In_defense_of_the_Cargo_Cult_Communicator.php

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Spot on!

[vmoisa]

Nobody, no even the author of the article, was able to identify at least one piece of software which is better on E90 than it was on previous Communicators. At least one !

Instead, the supporters of E90 preffer to find justifications for the shortcommings and missing features, they preffer to whine that "S60 was the way to go because S80 was no longer supported", that "3G does not support fax" (like GSM had suddenly dissapeared), that "software producers did not want to provide software for two plaforms", and so on.

It is very easy to find justifications why such a device was not made properly, it is very easy to cover mediocrity. And this is pathetic.

Message Edited by vmoisa on 02-Sep-200706:38 PM

Message Edited by vmoisa on 02-Sep-200706:38 PM

[sapporobaby]

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02-Sep-200706:37 PM
vmoisa wrote:
Nobody, no even the author of the article, was able to identify at least one piece of software which is better on E90 than it was on previous Communicators. At least one !

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Could be that the author is living in the 21 century and not in backwards-ville, as a few here and sees the progression in mobile communications for what it is, not for what it was. Maybe if we are lucky and become serial whiners, Nokia will unbox all those GEOS OS's that the first Communicator ran on. Ah the good old days.

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02-Sep-200706:37 PM
vmoisa wrote:
Instead, the supporters of E90 preffer to find justifications for the shortcommings and missing features, they preffer to whine that "S60 was the way to go because S80 was no longer supported", that "3G does not support fax" (like GSM had suddenly dissapeared), that "software producers did not want to provide software for two plaforms", and so on.

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Maybe the supporters of the E90, and the many that were part of the testing group, and part of the survey saw/see the advantage of a new and greatly improvable OS that is moving forward than going the fast and welcomed death as S80 faced. We the ones that are in the know don't sit and wring our hands and complain as a way of life. We take our E90's and move forward and are rewarded with a device that delivers exactly what it said it would do. We are also SMART ENOUGH to test the device before getting it home and realizing it was not the device we thought it was. Maybe this shows that the happy E90 users are a bit smarter than the 1 CONSTANT complainer that seems to dominate this particular E Series forum. The whine that my be heard by the happy E90 users is simply because the constant whining and complaining by one very sad and unhappy user has taken on a life of its own.

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02-Sep-200706:37 PM
vmoisa wrote:
It is very easy to find justifications why such a device was not made properly, it is very easy to cover mediocrity. And this is pathetic.

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It is very easy to not have enough common sense to try before you by and then blame it on every one else. Maybe the best place to look for blame should be the mirror and not waste the time of serious people looking for ways to make things better. Whining seems to be a way of life with 1 here. What a truly miserable life it must be. I just has to suck being that 1 person.

Class dismissed.

[vmoisa]

And the question remains open: is there ANY software aspect where E90 is better than 9300i ?

Rudeness and lectures are not an answer.

Message Edited by vmoisa on 03-Sep-200707:24 AM

[turo]

Some aspects there are indeed..

Let's take gallery:
- All images are fetched from device. No need to scroll file system and search folders. Also with videos, music clips etc etc
- Notes:
For multimedia notes, you can add multimedia files. You can set note to open for incoming call
- You can use everything from cover as well

Minuses for some, plusses for some:
- You can't browse any system files with default applications
-Red key will terminate active application (use to send back)
- SW pool for S60 is larger then S80, same UI components for bigger and smaller display
- There are no very many options in menu's, and no task list & profiles on every menu
- There is no esc which you can use to cancel everything..
- There are lot of features and improvements can be added for later releases

Then there were comments, that shortcuts differ in any case, and nowbody will remember those. There is no need to remember, when those were shown in menu on previous communicators. So use can pick most important keys to remember. That's the idea of shortcut i think?

And.. Keypad shortcuts (star, hash, numbers) usually are functional also from querty.. That's quite dummy but good to know

[wolf666]

Gentlemen,

the title of the thread was really clear, I really do not understand why it has been shifted to SW issues when other threads are still open.

@Turo : it is not for you. It is general, me included.

[son_t]

Listen up vmoisa and sapporobaby! I don't think your constant bickering is any good to this thread or discussion... so stick to the topic and FACTS.

One good piece of software (in the E90 over the 9300/9500) is the web browser - although this is linked with the speed of the hardware AND the move to S60 AND the screen resolution. Yes, if you want to discuss about software, then start a new thread or ressurect an old one. There are lots of issues with the various software applications (including the OS) on this phone!

When considering the E90 you have to compare it with the previous 9300/9500 COMMUNICATORs because it is still part of this family of phones/PDA. If you use the argument that you can't then that is only justified if the E90 was not branded part of thos 'Communicator' family...

Message Edited by son_t on 03-Sep-200709:06 AM

[sapporobaby]

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03-Sep-200708:22 AM
turo wrote:
Some aspects there are indeed..

Minuses for some, plusses for some:
- You can't browse any system files with default applications,/quote>

Not quite sure what you mean, but I think you can go to some files without going to File Manager first. It might be application dependent. I will try a few and report back. Good heads-up on this.

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03-Sep-200708:22 AM
turo wrote:
-Red key will terminate active application (use to send back)

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This is application dependent for sure. IM+, MSN Live and others simply go into the background and are brought forward by pressing and holding the application button. Maps, Fring and others terminate.

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03-Sep-200708:22 AM
turo wrote:
- There is no esc which you can use to cancel everything..

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Back button will do this.

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03-Sep-200708:22 AM
turo wrote:
- There are lot of features and improvements can be added for later releases

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I agree 10000000000000000000000%

[turo]

HW issues it is then

Lid clicks to couple positions, when old has fluent stepless open / close.

Connectors are good and general usb is plus in E90. Though again change is minus, hands frees are no longer a fit with E90 (except BT HR)Also old charges are useless with E90 (though this smaller one connector has been in other models also + seems to be standard nowdays)

I think one big screen is enough, now in E90 there are two quite big screens.. Thougs battery is good so no proplems with power.

Scroll buttons in both sides are perfectos! At least compared to 9300 (9500 Ok also, but E90 still quite much better)

No more flex connector for display!!!

Minus that E90 is very hard to open, and I don't recommend that to anyone. So basically no changing covers. Except back cover over battery..

[sapporobaby]

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03-Sep-200709:04 AM
son_t wrote:
Listen up vmoisa and sapporobaby! I don't think your constant bickering is any good to this thread or discussion... so stick to the topic and FACTS.

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@son_t,

You make a good point and this will be my last statement regarding vmoisa no matter how incorrect his is on most things that I have seen him post. Go find most his posts and you will see that he is a constant complainer about the same things over and over and over again. This was not only noted by me but others as well. Second, he likes to make his little snide comments and indirect attacks but the moment someone says anything back to him, he cries foul and then says that this is not the way to be. In my book this is cowardice, and sophomoric, and clearly shows his mental (or lack of it) capacity. I did offer to bury the hatchet with him and he declined. So be it. I will not attack him anymore (generally in response to him attacking me first), but I will correct his constant flow of incorrect information as this is a public forum. If he has anything to address to me from now on, he can do it in PM.

Thanks son_t for your concern and I will gladly respect your wishes.

Now where were we? Ah, yes. You said:

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03-Sep-200709:04 AM
son_t wrote:
When considering the E90 you have to compare it with the previous 9300/9500 COMMUNICATORs because it is still part of this family of phones/PDA. If you use the argument that you can't then that is only justified if the E90 was not branded part of thos 'Communicator' family...,/quote>

This is a good argument, but I think has two answers. As the E90 was branded and marketed as an E-Series phone/Communicator, I think that Nokia went for a twofer. They are trying to appeal to two market segments. Pure biz people but also normal consumers that want a bit more power in their devices. In my opinion this is what the E90 is offering.

[sapporobaby]

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03-Sep-200709:30 AM
turo wrote:
HW issues it is then

Lid clicks to couple positions, when old has fluent stepless open / close.

Minus that E90 is very hard to open, and I don't recommend that to anyone. So basically no changing covers. Except back cover over battery..

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This was planned on purpose. There was an article about this. I will try to find it. It mentioned that people like the "hard" click of the lid locking into place.

[son_t]

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03-Sep-200709:36 AM
sapporobaby wrote:
This is a good argument, but I think has two answers. As the E90 was branded and marketed as an E-Series phone/Communicator, I think that Nokia went for a twofer. They are trying to appeal to two market segments. Pure biz people but also normal consumers that want a bit more power in their devices. In my opinion this is what the E90 is offering.

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If so, then Nokia's strategy is doomed... Napolean, and **bleep** went to war on two fronts... both failed. Nokia will also if they are heading this way...

Is it too late for them to make changes? If not, sort out the hardware issues first, then the software issues (having decided which ONE market they want to 'attack')...

[sapporobaby]

I think the E90/S60 issue has sorted itself already. Maybe. If you look at things from the view of a bell curve, then it would appear the E90/S60 has found its market. What I mean is that on both ends of the curve you have people that will not like the E90 no matter what as it is not "9xxx-ish" enough. However in the middle where Nokia is looking to make its money, they seem to have found a market. If Nokia loses the fringes but retains the middle as well as picking up niche users (I have non-biz friends that have $1000 disposable income that like the E90 for what it can do) then this is a win-win situation for them, and I am quite sure they did marketing research to this effect.

[turo]

sapporobaby ;

This was planned on purpose (open close lid clicks)

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Yes, I kind of knew that it ain't accident or not planned.. But nothing pleases all. People have been planning these kind of devices for table use also. With communicators, those are just too small devices. I haven't never used communicator on table (writing when device on table) and i don't know does enyone. Therefore, I don't understand why this click to couple positions is needed. First impression might bee good, but after time of usage, maybe not so good.

But there has been discussion quite much, who are target people for communicator. When target is masses, of cource it ain't to please nerds like me.

So long period and advanced usage can't be analysed with new users. Same then you take rally car for beginner drivers: from feedback power will be decreased and soften seats placed to car. Same with communicators now, features decreased and simple is beatuful. More shiny covers and people are happy. Not so important what is under hood.

[sapporobaby]

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03-Sep-200710:46 AM
turo wrote:
sapporobaby ;

This was planned on purpose (open close lid clicks)

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Yes, I kind of knew that it ain't accident or not planned.. But nothing pleases all. People have been planning these kind of devices for table use also. With communicators, those are just too small devices. I haven't never used communicator on table (writing when device on table) and i don't know does enyone. Therefore, I don't understand why this click to couple positions is needed. First impression might bee good, but after time of usage, maybe not so good.

But there has been discussion quite much, who are target people for communicator. When target is masses, of cource it ain't to please nerds like me.

So long period and advanced usage can't be analysed with new users. Same then you take rally car for beginner drivers: from feedback power will be decreased and soften seats placed to car. Same with communicators now, features decreased and simple is beatuful. More shiny covers and people are happy. Not so important what is under hood.

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[wolf666]

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03-Sep-200709:30 AM
turo wrote:
HW issues it is then

[...]
Also old charges are useless with E90 (though this smaller one connector has been in other models also + seems to be standard nowdays)

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You can buy a cheap adapter from 3mm to 2mm plug (5 €)

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03-Sep-200709:30 AM
turo wrote:

[...]
Minus that E90 is very hard to open, and I don't recommend that to anyone. So basically no changing covers. Except back cover over battery..

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The metallic hinge is a real masterpiece, I like the opening so stiff (but it is my opinion and taste).

[sapporobaby]

Yup. I just bought my 2.5mm to 3.5mm plug. I also use a BT Stereo headset as the E90 supports A2DP.

Also, I love the hinges.

[turo]

[...]
Minus that E90 is very hard to open, and I don't recommend that to anyone. So basically no changing covers. Except back cover over battery..

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The metallic hinge is a real masterpiece, I like the opening so stiff (but it is my opinion and taste).

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Hinges are great (expect clicking, because it does not click to position i'd like). Talked about opening covers or changing covers.. Well, of cource no express covers in E90. But this is related to HW, how to open up your device and see what's inside.. But yes, seems like express cover time is over and no changing covers to devices (though this was newer the feature in communicators)

[keffa]

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31-Aug-200709:00 PM
son_t wrote:

4. Minor manufacturing problems?

Uneven feet (it rocks!) and microphone/speak buzz problems?

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Hi son_t,

Unfortunately these are two of the flaws that have caused Nokia to issue a soft recall for all unsold units.

Under the warranty Nokia will replace your unit. Return your E90 to a Nokia service centre or your retailer where you purchased it from for a replacement.