[amanda5]

Actually I rather think you are incorrect Sapporo. Nokia certainly received revenue every time they sold a 9500, 9300i etc which contained fax. As far as I know these devices were never just handed out for free.

[vmoisa]

Hello kobusb and welcome to the club (sadly).

I'll give you some liks to the threads that debated on E90 shortcommings. Hope they help:

/discussions/board/message?board.id=communicators&message.id=4555

/discussions/board/message?board.id=communicators&message.id=8981

/discussions/board/message?board.id=communicators&message.id=8881

/discussions/board/message?board.id=communicators&message.id=8524

/discussions/board/message?board.id=communicators&message.id=8524

/discussions/board/message?board.id=communicators&message.id=5878


EDIT : Removed Irrelevant Provoking Statements

Message Edited by sapere_aude on 03-Oct-2007 06:50 AM

[sapporobaby]

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02-Oct-200709:45 PM
amanda5 wrote:
1. Nokia got no money from having a fax. They did not design it but had to license it from someone else, thus they paid someone. At the very least they may have passed the cost on to the consumer which is Biz 101.
2. The operators would get money as a fax call is the same as a telephone call. They get paid either way.

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This is what I said, uncut, raw. Point one says Nokia made no money on this but paid for the solution and if anything, maybe passed the cost on to the consumer. SO I would say that I qualified my statement. The other part which turo wrote was utterly incorrect as the operators, as far as I know get money for calls. I think this is how they stay in business but maybe they do something different in his country. Only he can answer this.

As for the Nokia could do it. Probably, but maybe you missed it, there is a 6 month, conception to birth cycle that Nokia and the other guys are going through because people like US demand more and more, faster and faster. There is simply no time to test everything. I think a gentleman (Bob or Barry) explained this a few threads back and you concurred with him completely. He even made the mistake of agreeing with me and was promptly attacked by the "negative ratings **bleep**'s" for speaking such blasphemy. The way it stands is this. You and your "group" want a perfect Utopia of E90/Nokia haters (currently anyway), and for sure do not want dissent in the ranks. When I disagree, I post a fact and rarely post from my emotions. I don't have to as I look up things, get facts, ask people and try to be in the know. Thus the clash. You and your "group" have every right to be unhappy with the E90, well not you as you now have an HTC which would be to question, why still post here in the first place, but anyway, I follow what the mods says as best I can and have hit the "Contact us" button more times than I can count with E90 issues, N95 issues, etc..... I do not make this forum and the countless repetitive threads my personal soapbox to display my displeasure. It will not get Nokia to suddenly stay up later and put more resources to your issues. It becomes just another barking dog in the neighborhood.

As for the condescending, you and the "group" see anyone that does not fall in line and bash the E90 as "negative ratings" material. I can say this, go back and read from start to finish, if I said anything negative or condescending to anyone, you can believe they came at me first here publicly or in PM. You yourself are an example. So before you accuse me, take a look at yourself.

About the technically challenged remark, I did not mean it as a dig and I said this as well. If I offended you my bad.

[amanda5]

I would appreciate it if you would correctly edit your previous post so that the starting quote is correctly attributed to you, not me.

Thank you.

[sapporobaby]

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02-Oct-200710:14 PM
vmoisa wrote:
Hello kobusb and welcome to the club (sadly).

First a word of advice: do not care too much about sapporobaby. He just like to insult people which have different oppinions than his. But otherwise he is just harmless and useless, so do not let him upset you.

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You do notice that you just threw out an insult right? You do understand this so don't go running to the mods as you do continually if I say something you do not like. By the way, I responded to this post so you can not go back and change it. The mods will have your words captured in my post.

Another genius move on your part. What's next? Going to but a $2000 device without checking first and then blame someone else?

[sapporobaby]

Hello everyone,

Amanda5 didn't say it . I did.

[w9300i]

With all the shortcomings show me one handset which comes close to E90.

IMO Sapporo doesnt gets to people who own E90 and do not want to give it away and yet talk against it, its others who wait for him to write something so they may insult him.

[rulebebe]

Ultimately i feel its unfair to label users on this forum into specific "groups" - the reason we are all posting is because we all believe(d) strongly in Nokia's capabilities and were all exceptionally excited by the arrival of the E90.

Quite frankly the issues of fax, contact search, GPS, short-cut keys, etc etc dont really bother me at all - i have had all the previous communicators and will openly admit i hardly utilised most of the functions. I like the communicator primarily because its a cool phone...Nokia's top-of-the-range...a status symbol even!

I didnt think twice when i heard about the E90, i didnt do any research whatsoever on the phone...the moment i saw it, i unleashed my credit card. Full stop.

Alas, my long-running relationship with the Communicators, and almost certainly with Nokia appears to have hit an abrupt & premature end. Why?! The most basic in design fallacies...pity really...

[sapporobaby]

@rulebebe,

The "groups" title did not apply to you, but to a specific group of 3 or 4. They know who they are. So no offense towards you or anyone else.

What specific about the E90 disappoints you as you said many of the features that are missing were of no concern?

[rulebebe]

....dont mean to labour the point as i know its been addressed several times before...the issue of the screen scratching and the microphone. Given the price and the level of the E90 in the Nokia heirarchy of phones i wouldnt expect such flaws to go un-noticed by the design/production teams.

The mic also affects the audio when recording video. For us simpler users these are some of the main factors that count.

Thanks for the apology, accepted!

[turo]

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02-Oct-200710:48 PM
sapporobaby wrote:

Another genius move on your part. What's next? Going to but a $2000 device without checking first and then blame someone else?

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At least people can provide honest reasons. Features are not dropped because of 3G. All are decisions made by Nokia. Effed by business (operators and customers)

Devices those come to close or ahead E90, are every S60 devices and UIQ devices and WM devices:

http://www.symbian.com/phones/index.html

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/smartphone/default.mspx

[sapporobaby]

@rulebebe,

You are 100000000000000000% correct. I think Nokia experienced a perfect storm of mistakes, and quality control failures. However these things are now fixed and hopefully they learned. The same happened with SE a year or so ago with their phones. Nokia was faster however at identifying and repairing the problems.

By the way the group I was talking about are the ones that go through and give me negative ratings for anything I post, but the mods are watching and will start handing out bannings for abuse of the ratings system. So in a few days you will notice a few less postings by a certain few individuals.

[sapporobaby]

@turo

Why you present half an argument continuously is beyond me. 3G compatibility is just one reason. For constantly fail to add that Bitween will not support S60v3 or there is no G3 compatible fax in the E90. There are faxing solutions but these are paid services and use fax beaming.

There. I have explained it to you once again, and hopefully this time YOU will be more honest in your answers.

[dom_dom]

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03-Oct-200708:17 AM
sapporobaby wrote:
@rulebebe,

The "groups" title did not apply to you, but to a specific group of 3 or 4. They know who they are. So no offense towards you or anyone else.

What specific about the E90 disappoints you as you said many of the features that are missing were of no concern?

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I'm guilty ... I'm one these members
Domdom

[sapporobaby]

@dom_dom,

No problem. Just remember you asked me for help. Not the other way around. So to save you any embarrassment in the future. Don't bother to ask,, as I am sure you know the answer. Thanks in advance.

[turo]

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03-Oct-200708:16 AM
sapporobaby wrote:
@turo

Why you present half an argument continuously is beyond me. 3G compatibility is just one reason. For constantly fail to add that Bitween will not support S60v3 or there is no G3 compatible fax in the E90. There are faxing solutions but these are paid services and use fax beaming.

There. I have explained it to you once again, and hopefully this time YOU will be more honest in your answers.

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3G is technology. Fax is not dropped because of that. Nokia has been there making 3G also.

WLAN is not in 3G compatible. GPS is not in 3G compatible. Why those are included? Based on your comments, should be dropped if not supported by 3G?

[vmoisa]

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03-Oct-200701:35 AM
w9300i wrote:
With all the shortcomings show me one handset which comes close to E90.

IMO Sapporo doesnt gets to people who own E90 and do not want to give it away and yet talk against it, its others who wait for him to write something so they may insult him.

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Unfortunately, you are right: there is no handset on the market to come close to E90. This is the reason I am stuck with E90 and I cannot sell it: there is nothing I replace it with. So my only chance is to try to convince Nokia to do something about.

Because when I look back and see how many fetures have been dropped on E90 compared to 9300i, I consider Nokia would be able to put them back, if only they get enough feed-back from the customers. This is the only reason I write on this forum.

Yet, I do not like sapporobaby to judge every post I write, to tell me when I am write and when I am wrong, and tell me all the time that I should stop "whining"

[wolf666]

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03-Oct-200708:30 AM
turo wrote:

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03-Oct-200708:16 AM
sapporobaby wrote:
@turo

Why you present half an argument continuously is beyond me. 3G compatibility is just one reason. For constantly fail to add that Bitween will not support S60v3 or there is no G3 compatible fax in the E90. There are faxing solutions but these are paid services and use fax beaming.

There. I have explained it to you once again, and hopefully this time YOU will be more honest in your answers.

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3G is technology. Fax is not dropped because of that. Nokia has been there making 3G also.

WLAN is not in 3G compatible. GPS is not in 3G compatible. Why those are included? Based on your comments, should be dropped if not supported by 3G?

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Sorry..but do you really know how 3G (UMTS) networks and protocol works? I cannot understand your last post...sorry my fault!

[turo]

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03-Oct-200708:37 AM
wolf666 wrote:

Sorry..but do you really know how 3G (UMTS) networks and protocol works? I cannot understand your last post...sorry my fault!

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Enough to know that currently fax call is supported by networks. And people say fax is dropped because networks won't support that.

If all features in mobile are defined in 3G protocols, that would exclude WLAN & GPS? Quite simple question? Answer is yes? This is as stupid as blame fax is dropped because of Symbian 3.2 or 3G.

[sapporobaby]

@wolf666

Ciao bello.

My sentiments exactly. Turo is mixing apples and oranges and thinking they are all the same.

I still notice how he fails to address the fact that Bitween will not develop software for S60v3. He tends to stick to the 3G argument no matter how wrong he continues to be.

Maybe you can explain it to him again like you did with the metal vs. Platic arguement.