[vmoisa]

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30-Sep-200709:04 AM
tbear wrote:
My number 1 problem with the phone is that packet data goes off when a phone call is active. This is a major step backwards as I use the phone as both a phone and a modem so I can talk on the phone and use the web at the same time.

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This is how GPRS works: you cannot talk and stay connected at the same time. Only 3G allows you to do both in the same time, but I do not know anything about 3G is USA.

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30-Sep-200709:04 AM
tbear wrote:
Lastly what genius made the power supply smaller. I spent
the better part of week looking for a car charger and/or wall
charger in LA, to only find a car charger had to drive all the way to OR to find a wall charger that would fit.

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The solution I found was to buy a bunch of addapters from the old power connector to the new, smaler one. I use the addapters with my old wall or car chargers.

[sapporobaby]

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30-Sep-200709:04 AM
tbear wrote:

My number 1 problem with the phone is that packet data goes
off when a phone call is active. This is a major step backwards as I use the phone as both a phone and a modem so I can talk on the phone and use the web at the same time. Not tried using voip and web at the same time to see if that get's around the problem. Will the
infer red support full 3G speed?

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The reason the connection drops is because you are using EDGE. It can not support voice and data at the same time. I use 3G (HSDPA) all the time with voice. It is your network and not the phone. VoIP and Web browsing will use the same data connection so there should not be any problems there. IR is a connection and protocol. It has nothing to do with 3G.

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30-Sep-200709:04 AM
tbear wrote:
Lack of FAX support also a step backwards.

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Going, going, gone. Fax is not coming back. 3G networks do not support faxing. There are faxing solutions via IP. In your downloads section there is an application. You have to pay for it.

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30-Sep-200709:04 AM
tbear wrote:
The gps needs to be tricked (always go to view satts before
using the gps somehow viewing the satt finds them) to work. But once it starts even in the wilds of Oregon or WA will find what little there is find.

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Not sure what you mean.

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30-Sep-200709:04 AM
tbear wrote:
Lastly what genius made the power supply smaller. I spent
the better part of week looking
for a car charger and/or wall
charger in LA, to only find a car charger had to drive all the way to OR to find a wall charger that would fit.

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The E90 and many of the new series phones use new hi powered chargers and I would assume that Nokia did not want to mix them with the lower powered chargers that the older phones use.

[karotro]

finally E90 arrived @ Chicago & New York store......

but LIMITED stock....

[karotro]

dont know this helps anyone...but here's the link related to fax....

http://www.cortado.com/index.php?s=282&lc=61&gclid=CM6Rw4fV7I4CFQwsOAodeBfeEQ

Message Edited by karotro on 01-Oct-200703:39 AM

[turo]

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30-Sep-200709:04 AM
tbear wrote:

My number 1 improvement the phone is cased in metal not cheap plastic like the
92xx,9500, or 9300 which would break from a fall of 1m. the 9500 died after just 2 yrs and a few falls.

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Disagree.. Plastic will last 1m drop. Metal does not If you ever seen slow motion from dropping, both will bend. Metal and plastic. Plastic just will last better the bending.

But yes, metal feels stronger and better. E90 feels stiff. It just ain't real, that it will actually last better then 9xxx. Example 9300 & i are much lighter also-> they will last better the dropping part.

[sapporobaby]

Wrong. Plastic breaks and cracks. Metal bends or becomes deformed. Sometimes you can reshape the metal. The same can not be said of plastic.

[turo]

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01-Oct-200709:43 AM
sapporobaby wrote:
Wrong. Plastic breaks and cracks. Metal bends or becomes deformed. Sometimes you can reshape the metal. The same can not be said of plastic.

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Totally wrong. Depends from plastic and metal.

Also. when two hard surface will hit together, hit is much heavier then soften hitting to hard interface? This should be easy to understand already with very basic physique

You can experience this. Hit two piece of iron together and then hit two plastic bag together. Then put one component (example display) between, and see in which case, display will broke. Inform results, will iron or plastic brake the display?

I can give you other things to try as well. So no need to discuss most basics

[sapporobaby]

Another discussion rife with obfuscations. We are talking about the E90 vs. the 9500. It's like asking what time is it and being told how a clock works. More useless info.

The main issue is that the OP this the build quality of the E90 is better and it is.

Message Edited by sapporobaby on 01-Oct-200710:37 AM

[sapporobaby]

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30-Sep-200706:52 PM
vmoisa wrote:


This is how GPRS works: you cannot talk and stay connected at the same time. Only 3G allows you to do both in the same time, but I do not know anything about 3G is USA.

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This has nothing to do with GPS. It is simply that he is using a non-3G connection while surfing and now wants to call. It is not GPS related. Second, if using GPS while using 3G you can make and receive phone calls.

[wolf666]

The E90 case is better than 9500 and 9300. You should not be PH.D in Mechanical engineering to get it.
Better plastic, better metal case, better hinge and better general assembly and finish.

If you make a test from 1 m sure 9300 and 9500 have more chance to brake or to simply crack. The genesis of a crack due to impact is more easy in plastic than metal (it is related to energy and young modulus).

Then if you like to open a discussion about impacts, young modulus, Hertz pressure and 3d stress-states, well you can find some guys that can help you.

Ciao ciao

[sapporobaby]

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01-Oct-200712:37 AM
karotro wrote:
finally E90 arrived @ Chicago & New York store......

but LIMITED stock....

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Cool. Good luck. Let me know if i can help.

[turo]

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01-Oct-200710:43 AM
wolf666 wrote:

If you make a test from 1 m sure 9300 and 9500 have more chance to brake or to simply crack. The genesis of a crack due to impact is more easy in plastic than metal (it is related to energy and young modulus).

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Might be back luck then. My frend did drop E90 from less then 1m. Mic died in first time dropped. Same frend dropped 9500 about 20 times before service was needed (when stepped on 9500 after dropped)

Like commented many times. E90 hw feels great. Just this dropping issue I doubt (would not bet on it). With E90, maybe covers will last longer, but not components inside.

So. I don't complain E90 hw. But also don't complain 9500 hw. I can say, there has been good progress with HW from 9500 to E90. But dropping E90 is risky like it has been with any communicator. If you drop E90 to hard surface, i would say it can broke quite easily.

Do I prefer scratch in cover or broken component? Maybe i would take scratch in plastic. Would I take E90 or 9500 hw? I would choose E90 because it look and feel. Not because it last dropping better (as I doubted that one, without better fact)

[wolf666]

I can agree that an impact could damage internal hardware, it can be really easy and metal can tranfer vibration better than plastics.

I do prefer scratch than an internal component failure and I do not complain my old 9300 case (even if cracked!!)

I just only underline that, even if E90 has some problems, the case is really well done. We all want that also what inside has the same level, right?

[turo]

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01-Oct-200711:21 AM
wolf666 wrote:

I do prefer scratch than an internal component failure and I do not complain my old 9300 case (even if cracked!!)

I just only underline that, even if E90 has some problems, the case is really well done. We all want that also what inside has the same level, right?

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Sure Agree. And most important keys (navi front and inside) are great. Feel is great. Nothing negative from HW. Just had to argue a bit because 9500 (&9300) was referred as cheap plastic. And also point out reality, that dropping communicator ain't safe, even having more stiff fealing.

[sapporobaby]

Well if I had to choose between a car made of plastic or metal. I go with metal.

Another great post wolf666 as usual. It's great to read a post from someone that knows what he is talking about.

[sapporobaby]

When compared to the 9500 and 9300, the E90 is much better in terms of build. The housings on the other phones were no where are well constructed.

[turo]

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01-Oct-200712:58 PM
sapporobaby wrote:
The housings on the other phones were no where are well constructed.

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What do you mean with this?

My point simply was, when hard hits hard, there are very strong forces. Something needs to bend, that is just a fact.

Plastic will soften the hit more then metal. That is other very clear fact. Not worth to argue?

Metal is great, but plastic is great also in some situations.

Build quality in E90 is great. Build quality of 9500 was great, even not so much pleasure for eyes then E90.

Nokia devices as general are great. But there are things could be better. In E90, more features could be added to sw build. To make sw build to match hw build.

[vmoisa]

The hindges on my E90 have begun not to be so tight on the locking positions. My point: build quality on E90 will show in time, now it is too early to tell. But it does look solind.

[sapporobaby]

could it also be the fact that maybe you use your phone differently?

[vmoisa]

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01-Oct-200708:31 PM
sapporobaby wrote:
could it also be the fact that maybe you use your phone differently?

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Different from what ?